Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[BobMcBob]

According to the bot you've played one game as town when they were scum and one game as scum when they were town.

was the scum one m50?
i think thats where i remember them from

In M54 you were goon and he was watcher. In M53 you were VT and he was mafia. Fox didn't play in M50.

okay i have no clue which game is which, or i may be mixing him up with someone else
but im fairly sure he had a spreadsheet once

[BobMcBob]

Why?

I don't like the manner in which you're defending yourself.

I could be wrong; I've been wrong plenty of times before.

It would be rather bold for scum to hedge this blatantly.

pretty sure macca does this as both alignments
its almost their whole schtick now

[BobMcBob]

explain the bizarre comment about being unable to pocket kgray

i pocketed her last game by being reasonable
this game i am not being reasonable
i cannot pocket her in that way this game, which seems to be the easiest way
full disclaimer, i wasnt just pocketing in that game, i did agree with her on most things

I wouldn't really describe your play last game as pocketing anyone. You played a good pro-town style that got you townread for your competence. It wasn't really targeted at kgray in the same way mine was.

The style you played last game was better for town I feel than your current approach. Rather surprised to see you mix it up.

it was semi-targeted
i wouldve played much that way anyway, but i was actively happy that she was coming along for the ride
yes my previous games style was probably better for town
but this is fun and funky and cool and i wanted to give it a spin

[rdrivera2005]

As the GM have given me a second chance (thanks GM) I will post my read from the DK.

I suspect any vet player that pushed Chaqa's kill. Chaqa as scum lurks, buss all his team to win, use real life excuses and get caught, but don't do this kind of shenanigan. I can't believe players like Vecna, Jamiet and Brain really believe Chaqa was scum doing a weird play that will result in lot of pressure D2 just for the giggs. Ghug get a bit of a pass because he moved at the end when it was clearly between Chaqa and Jamiet.

That's were I would start tomorrow if I am alive.

I feel like there's a large contingent of us at this point who want to kill Chaqa for his bullshit in the hopes that he'll stop pulling his bullshit.

Yes, a game where town is probably the weakest faction seems a good moment to push a policy kill. I agree that it's a bullshit play (and told so), but there is no reason to push Chaqa's death on D1. Why aren't we policy lynching lurkers or people that didn't vote?

[BobMcBob]

BRB, getting my COVID vaccine because apparently making pulp for a papermill means I'm essential.

congratulations essential worker man!

[BobMcBob]

How many scum are there?

Like this post.

really?
im not overly impressed with it

[BobMcBob]

I dunno, but I'll stand by it

##vote jamie tie =D

Dislike your non-answer here.

Ok. I'm still right.

idk bona's towngame but this is suspiciously similar to what ive seen of his scumgame

[damo666]

Isn't it ironic that Bob McBob has three upper case characters in his user name any yet all his posts are entirely in lower case.

Bob is the alien.

[damo666]

So, D1 was either:
a) a TvTvT waste. In this case it's maybe worth looking at wagons that didn't materialize (all the high schoolers, strangely, and Vecna, who acts like one), but mostly it just sucks.
b) a jasnah save. This one's my favorite, at least pre-writing. First votes on jas were Chaqa/damo/bona/Fox, which put her tied for first, with only a Fox vote on Vecna in between (Jamie was in the lead here, so this could point to a Jamie/Fox team). This put her into a tie with Chaqa and Jamie. lfischl put Chaqa back ahead, emc tied it. Celaph put her in the lead, bona moved to tie it as he does. Brain put Chaqa in the lead. Bona moved back to tie it. Bunny and celaph moved to Jamie (putting him back in the running) and Chaqa (putting him in the lead) respectively. I moved to jasnah to tie it. Then thamrick jumps on Chaqa, Riot jumps on Jamie, and bona moves to tie again, making it 7-7-5. I, emc, and damo then pile on Chaqa in that order. In this scenario, I think damo, Fox, emc, and I look good (I always look good), emc and bona could go either way, and lfischl, brain, Bunny, thamrick, and Riot look bad. The fact that that many people would look bad makes me think there was a save involving a couple of scum and a couple of unwitting town.
c) a Jamie save, here I look pretty bad because I broke the tie. All those early voters on jasnah look not great, especially Fox because he also briefly tried to make Vecna competitive. Fischy still looks bad, brain too, maybe celaph, thamrick. Riot looks good, Bunny looks good. Bona's still hard to read based on the VCA, but probably a little better because he ended up killing the jasnah wagon to force a tie between Chaqa and Jamie.
d) a double save. lfischl, brain, thamrick, maybe me look bad here. Fox, emc, damo, Bunny, HR all look pretty good. Probably Bona too, as he only voted Chaqa early in the day.

We would be quite unlucky for it to be TvTvT. I propose we dk Jasnah tomorrow.

[BobMcBob]

i pocketed her last game by being reasonable
this game i am not being reasonable
i cannot pocket her in that way this game, which seems to be the easiest way
full disclaimer, i wasnt just pocketing in that game, i did agree with her on most things

I wouldn't really describe your play last game as pocketing anyone. You played a good pro-town style that got you townread for your competence. It wasn't really targeted at kgray in the same way mine was.

The style you played last game was better for town I feel than your current approach. Rather surprised to see you mix it up.

Wasn't Bob scum last game? I'm confused.

yeah
i was probably still better for town

[BobMcBob]

Isn't it ironic that Bob McBob has three upper case characters in his user name any yet all his posts are entirely in lower case.

Bob is the alien.

dang you got me
was it because of my crumbing?

[BobMcBob]

Wasn't Bob scum last game? I'm confused.

He was. I guess I more associate pocketing with playing in a particular way to get the town read of one or two people. I would describe Bob's play last game as just good and not pocketing.

The point is insignificant overall. If you're confused by it feel free to ignore it.

I am confused because you said his play last game was pro-town and I don't get how a scum play could be pro-town (unless you scumslip all your team members).

well, there were 2 scumteams, so i could hunt
i was raising actually good points and ideas
and also i fake claimed invest with a guilty on the one other remaining scum on the other team and then got myself killed in a rather stupid manner, so that was pretty pro-town too i guess

[Maniac]

@Foxcastle - I note you were around EOD1. Why didn't you vote for one of the lead wagons?

[Jamiet99uk]

This is out of game and should not be a factor.

First of all, I'm just trying to establish the same level of information about Kgray as we have about Thamrick, but because Kgray is a Moderator, the forum profile doesn't list when she was last online (as it does do for Thamrick).

Second of all, I've lost count of the time recently that people have commented on such-and-such a person recently being seen in their group Among Us games, etc, and this is no different from that.

its irrelevant now but i think this was a fair question
we in the game had info about kgrays onlineness status that the rest did not
we had more info in a way that we could not choose to get rid of
fwiw yes i had received press

Thank you Bob.

[Jamiet99uk]

As the GM have given me a second chance (thanks GM) I will post my read from the DK.

I suspect any vet player that pushed Chaqa's kill. Chaqa as scum lurks, buss all his team to win, use real life excuses and get caught, but don't do this kind of shenanigan. I can't believe players like Vecna, Jamiet and Brain really believe Chaqa was scum doing a weird play that will result in lot of pressure D2 just for the giggs. Ghug get a bit of a pass because he moved at the end when it was clearly between Chaqa and Jamiet.

That's were I would start tomorrow if I am alive.

I could not move off Chaqa at EoD because as far as I saw it at the time, that would have resulted in my death.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why aren't we policy lynching lurkers or people that didn't vote?

What, you mean, you?

Why didn't you vote btw?

[Jamiet99uk]

Why aren't we policy lynching lurkers or people that didn't vote?

What, you mean, you?

Why didn't you vote btw?

And to properly answer this question, it was impossible or illogical to go after lurkers / non-voters on D1 of this particular game, because there was an item in play (the Ray Gun) which removes a player from the game without any notification.

We did talk about Kgray and Thamrick being absent and there was a debate about whether one of them could have been shot with the ray gun.

Turns out that is exactly what did happen to Kgray.

Your question about voting lurkers or non-voters suggests you missed all this information. Can you explain?

[Jamiet99uk]

Note that we cannot accuse people of lurking tonight, either:

##GM NOTE
1) While a target is imprisoned in the jail they cannot speak in the game thread. Same for a target that is a part of the Shaman's ritual.

ND has apparently created a setup where you can't really give people crap for lurking until sometime past D2.

[Jamiet99uk]

Tinfoil theory time:

BunnyGo is the Alien.

He was super triggered by anyone yesterday expressing concern about the Alien or discussing ways to *find* the Alien.

[brainbomb]

I don't like the manner in which you're defending yourself.

I could be wrong; I've been wrong plenty of times before.

It would be rather bold for scum to hedge this blatantly.

pretty sure macca does this as both alignments
its almost their whole schtick now

Macca is ridiculously town here