Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[jasnah]

@ Bunny go Well then why allow Chaqa to keep playing in such fashion? If he wants to obstruct town as every role, he can die D1 as every role, until he decides to switch to a more cooperative M.O.

Given you haven't played with Chaqa for anywhere near as many games as most of us, why do you find his behaviour especially egregious here?

Huh? He's playing like an asshole, any individual with more than two brain cells and not born yesterday can see this, textbook power signalling which would make some sense if there were any item that warranted this level of megalomaniacal grandeur, but having read the item list, there is not.

I'm led to believe by multiple people that apparently he does similar every game, so I'm merely suggesting what would over many iterations of this game, be the town's best response

[ghug]

This is too close.

Scum could flip onto me with seconds to go.

Seriously, get off me unless you've got a genuine reason why you think I'm scum.

I mean it'd be pretty great if scum did that.

What, you want me to be daykilled?

Always

Scum outing themselves to get anyone killed at the last second would be a win.

[jasnah]

And I also dislike the other people who have fucked around and done not much, like emc, Macca, maybe damo or Maniac, but we're less than 10 min to EOD and none of them are viable wagon, while Chaqa assuredly is.

[Jamiet99uk]

I mean it'd be pretty great if scum did that.

What, you want me to be daykilled?

Always

Scum outing themselves to get anyone killed at the last second would be a win.

Anyone, regardless of their role?

[BunnyGo]

I want to hear from worcej and Bunny go before the end of day. Bunny go despite his earlier characterization of the Jamiet wagon in withering terms ('because he was insufficiently angry') is still on Jamie, why?

If anyone's getting saved, it's Chaqa. Super strong opinions against Jamiet as soon as Chaqa went into the lead. 0/10 takes by brain bomb. Maybe 0.5/10 with 0.5 credit for bringing up the possibility of a save.

I very much disliked your wagon. And while I disagree with chaqas tendencies to play like this, I’ve given up trying to stop them and instead just ignore and deal with after a day or two.
Meanwhile Jamie opened the day pushing a “FIND THE ALIEN AT ALL COSTS” and continues advocating for strongly anti town play just in case kgray was the alien and chooses to help us.

Brain and now Ghug get scum points for this too.

That play isn't only good if she's the alien, it's also good if she's town, because we learn her role.

I understand. But there are many times it’s more useful and the mafia have a janitor kill option.

[worcej]

theres been almost no foxcastle v emc this game which used to be canon

You're also forgetting Fox v Worcej

[ghug]

What, you want me to be daykilled?

Always

Scum outing themselves to get anyone killed at the last second would be a win.

Anyone, regardless of their role?

Yep

[Jamiet99uk]

Always

Scum outing themselves to get anyone killed at the last second would be a win.

Anyone, regardless of their role?

Yep

But it doesn't out them, because they'll just say "oh I wanted to prevent a tie"

[ghug]

I very much disliked your wagon. And while I disagree with chaqas tendencies to play like this, I’ve given up trying to stop them and instead just ignore and deal with after a day or two.
Meanwhile Jamie opened the day pushing a “FIND THE ALIEN AT ALL COSTS” and continues advocating for strongly anti town play just in case kgray was the alien and chooses to help us.

Brain and now Ghug get scum points for this too.

That play isn't only good if she's the alien, it's also good if she's town, because we learn her role.

I understand. But there are many times it’s more useful and the mafia have a janitor kill option.

This game has two ways for people to die without flipping?

[lfischl]

That play isn't only good if she's the alien, it's also good if she's town, because we learn her role.

I understand. But there are many times it’s more useful and the mafia have a janitor kill option.

This game has two ways for people to die without flipping?

what's the second way.

[Foxcastle]

I haven't read up the last 10+ pages but was hoping for something else than Chaqa/Jamie/Jasnah.

[BunnyGo]

@ Bunny go Well then why allow Chaqa to keep playing in such fashion? If he wants to obstruct town as every role, he can die D1 as every role, until he decides to switch to a more cooperative M.O.

I’ve tried. And I tried with EMC too. EMC got better without pressure and the pressure wasn’t helping and was it’s own game.

I don’t really object to ending anti-town metas. But I am no longer compelled to participate. I don’t think it’s a pro town thing to play badly because my teammates are playing badly.

[Jamiet99uk]

I understand. But there are many times it’s more useful and the mafia have a janitor kill option.

This game has two ways for people to die without flipping?

what's the second way.

The alien ray gun! This has been discussed at length, where were you?

[worcej]

##vote Jamie

I don't really dislike any of these wagons. I'd also look quite favourably upon a damo wagon... *Especially* if kgray has really been vaporised.

What is your reason for voting me?

I am not scum.

I think you've got angry at the 'wrong' things, mostly. You've let a lot of stuff slide that I don't expect you to normally allow, and for a long time you seemed far too focused on defending yourself from people you were openly recognising as joke-voting you without seeming to actually try digging into finding scum. The fact that as soon as the attention wasn't on you you then slipped into the exact shitposting you'd been decrying just a few pages earlier also made you feel way less genuine.

HR, I commend you for your eloquence.

[e.m.c^42]

Hmm, Jamie or Chaqa.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hmm, Jamie or Chaqa.

Chaqa.

[Maniac]

I'm here and still prefer Jamie as today's kill for reasons I gave earlier.

I can't see me changing my vote.

[lfischl]

This game has two ways for people to die without flipping?

what's the second way.

The alien ray gun! This has been discussed at length, where were you?

oh the raygun doesn't reveal your role? I didn't see that.

[BunnyGo]

This is too close.

Scum could flip onto me with seconds to go.

Seriously, get off me unless you've got a genuine reason why you think I'm scum.

I mean it'd be pretty great if scum did that.

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[Jamiet99uk]

what's the second way.

The alien ray gun! This has been discussed at length, where were you?

oh the raygun doesn't reveal your role? I didn't see that.

It doesn't reveal ANYTHING, it silently removes the target from play. There's no announcement at all. That's the entire issue.