Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

[Durga]

I know I have the unique perspective of knowing this was town v town so I'm inclined to think that scum probably didn't care which one of me or damo died. I'm willing to bet there was scum on my wagon and it makes me feel that kgray is town for trying to get damo killed instead because why bother otherwise

[Jamiet99uk]

Feel free to put into words what you were actually trying to say though. I still have no clue

I've never seen Jamie even attempt to try to mimic this supposed town meta of his, so I think your claim that no one would try to miskill Jamie is bunk

Why are you trying to make these arguments when you have never played with town jamiet before?

Trying to mimic his town gimmicks is literally what he does. He even copied his bloody 10 posts per phase gimmick in your first game here iirc.

Even Jamiet knows that I always try to piss him off on purpose on D1 to determine his alignment.

I can verify everything Vecna said here. As scum and town I try to have a consistent meta, the scum version being a facsimile of the town one.

It is also true that Vecna tries to annoy me on purpose. This is easily done as being annoying comes very naturally to him.

[bozotheclown]

Well, Vecna and I both pretty blatantly saved her.

Yes, I suppose I should have said Durga was saved from the DK, and it seems there may have been a scum motivation for doing so, since several players seemed OK with any wagon except Durga.

Which players?

Bonatogether, celaph, and Vecna voted for Jamie, then me, then damo, during the time you were the lead wagon, so I assumed they all preferred to DK any of us over you.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd like it if everyone would rank the 5 suspects in order.

The 5 suspects being Bona, Celaph, Durga, Kgray, Vecna.

(Look Maniac I put them in alphabetical order again)

We know there there are 1-3 scum in this group. So everyone's opinion on which of them is most likely, or least likely, to be scum, would be useful.

[kgray]

bozo defending me is such a weird, unfamiliar experience. But I don't see any reason for him to do that as scum. Buddying me seems kind of pointless here when he's not in the group of eligible voters, so it would make more sense for him to just push my miskill rather than try to keep me around to save him later when he'd potentially be up for the kill.

[Vecna]

I would probably cry

Can you like, obv-town?

I dont like looking silly for saving people that turn out to be scum.

pretty please?

What are you paranoid about? Why did you "save" me if you didn't feel I was town?

Benefit of the doubt. I know that you'll be obv-town really quickly when youre town and not busy.

Lets see if I made the right choice.

[Durga]

I'd like it if everyone would rank the 5 suspects in order.

The 5 suspects being Bona, Celaph, Durga, Kgray, Vecna.

(Look Maniac I put them in alphabetical order again)

We know there there are 1-3 scum in this group. So everyone's opinion on which of them is most likely, or least likely, to be scum, would be useful.

I guess the issue here is it could be 1/5 which means there's 2/6 in the other group which means our odds would be even worse

[Durga]

Can you like, obv-town?

I dont like looking silly for saving people that turn out to be scum.

pretty please?

What are you paranoid about? Why did you "save" me if you didn't feel I was town?

Benefit of the doubt. I know that you'll be obv-town really quickly when youre town and not busy.

Lets see if I made the right choice.

Wait why are you even voting me now then

[kgray]

Ooo, Kgray is here.

Hype.

Yeah and it only took me an hour to catch up to this lol

[Vecna]

Yes, I suppose I should have said Durga was saved from the DK, and it seems there may have been a scum motivation for doing so, since several players seemed OK with any wagon except Durga.

Which players?

Bonatogether, celaph, and Vecna voted for Jamie, then me, then damo, during the time you were the lead wagon, so I assumed they all preferred to DK any of us over you.

Thats a mightily accurate assumption

[kgray]

bozo's apparently blindness causes him to remain on my 'do not let pitch, due to likely drug use' list.

Blind to what, Jamie's case against kgray? I understand his case, but I can also see a town motivation for the things he finds suspicious.

What do you think kgray's scum motivation was for getting damo DKed?

Blind to the suspicious nature of her actions/words. It does not seem to me that you are just 'also' seeing a town motivation. But that you do not see the scum motivation.

Am I missing something? Does scum need additional "Scum Motivation" for a miss day kill? Would she need anything else but that?

Can you elaborate on what is suspicious about my actions/words from your perspective?

[BunnyGo]

Official vote count with approximately 10.5 hours to go in Day 2:

Durga (4) Bonatogether Vecna Maniac bozotheclown
kgray (2) Jamiet99uk dargorygel
Bonatogether (1) rdrivera2005

Will not be doing the links in the vote again...that was time intensive for (what I'm guessing) was very little benefit or use to the players. Let me know if you want that or something else in the vote counts.

celaph
Durga
kgray
lfischl

still need to cast a legal vote.

Durga is currently set to be beaned.

[Vecna]

bozo defending me is such a weird, unfamiliar experience. But I don't see any reason for him to do that as scum. Buddying me seems kind of pointless here when he's not in the group of eligible voters, so it would make more sense for him to just push my miskill rather than try to keep me around to save him later when he'd potentially be up for the kill.

Didnt he say in scumchat one of the last few games he'd prefer to be alive with you in endgame?

I think you shouldve sheeped me yesterday.

[kgray]

These are really, really bad responses from Vecna and my townread on him is fading.

Vecna / Kgray scumteam?

Oh man, I wish.

I would probably cry

We'd never NK you though

[Durga]

Does anyone have a fucking reason as to why they're voting me or naw

[Durga]

Oh man, I wish.

I would probably cry

We'd never NK you though

[Vecna]

What are you paranoid about? Why did you "save" me if you didn't feel I was town?

Benefit of the doubt. I know that you'll be obv-town really quickly when youre town and not busy.

Lets see if I made the right choice.

Wait why are you even voting me now then

Because theres a mechanical guilty in our group and you and Celaph are the only ones I dont think are town.

Obv-town and my vote goes to celaph instantly.

[kgray]

You are saying that Town Kgray would push a Damo wagon, when she had no strong reason for suspecting Damo, just because she's matey with Durga and/or Bozo outside of the game and wants to keep them around regardless of their alignment?

Really?

This is the first time (since my very first game) that the metric I use to read damo has lead me to the wrong conclusion. My vote for him wasn't based on as little as you are saying it was.

If I very strongly scumread Durga or bozo I'd vote for them regardless of the fact that I like playing with them, but I didn't scumread them as strongly as I scumread you or damo anyway. And yeah, my personal feelings about people does affect who I want to kill. I know it shouldn't, but I'm not a robot. Sue me.

You were the person who initially said you didn't have a strong reason for scumreading Damo. Did you not say that?

I don't have a great reason to scumread him to be fair.

Oh, yes you did.

Saying I don't have a great reason is not the same as having no reason, especially when my reason is not going to be particularly compelling to other people. I'm not saying I thought I had definitive proof that damo was scum, but you saying I had no reason to scumread him is ridiculous.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd like it if everyone would rank the 5 suspects in order.

The 5 suspects being Bona, Celaph, Durga, Kgray, Vecna.

(Look Maniac I put them in alphabetical order again)

We know there there are 1-3 scum in this group. So everyone's opinion on which of them is most likely, or least likely, to be scum, would be useful.

I guess the issue here is it could be 1/5 which means there's 2/6 in the other group which means our odds would be even worse

Surely from your perspective, it's at worst 1/4 rather than 1/5?

[Durga]

Benefit of the doubt. I know that you'll be obv-town really quickly when youre town and not busy.

Lets see if I made the right choice.

Wait why are you even voting me now then

Because theres a mechanical guilty in our group and you and Celaph are the only ones I dont think are town.

Obv-town and my vote goes to celaph instantly.

Wtf do you think this is? Ah yes let me just move into obv town gear mood that'll show you all.... Ffs what nonsense. Why would I actively try to obv town that doesn't even make sense and this isn't how it works. What about me is more scummy than celaph??? Why are the others town?