Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

I think Vecna's point is that you're scummy and I'm a little taken aback by the fact that it wasn't obvious to you.

Is this sarcasm?

No. Did I miss a joke on your end or is something else leading you to believe I'm sarcastic?

Yes.

[Jamiet99uk]

DAY 1 VOTE COUNT 2.0

Jamiet99uk (3): Vecna, Bonatogether, kgray
Durga (1): damo666
Maniac(1): Jamiet99uk
bozotheclown (1): dargorygel
Vecna (1): brainbomb

End-votes (0/13)

Currently, JAMIET99UK is set to be suspended for 60 days without pay for violation of Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. Six hours remain.

I mildly disapprove of this state of affairs.
##Vote Durga

[brainbomb]

Really? Not even one townread?

I tend to townread you for being logic and pushing the conversation but I didn't have that "she must he town monent".
Ifisch reaction to Vecna pressure looked towny, but with daychat it have less weight.
Vecna also didn't ring the must be town bell that usually happens.

I think Damo is laying too low and also Maniac, but can't call this a scumread.

That's silly, I'm obviously town. It's the curling getting between us, isn't it?

Do you really call yourself obvious town? I dont remember that

[Jamiet99uk]

I whole-heartedly recommend bozotheclown, celaph, Durga, lfieschul, PewdieManiac and rdrivera2005 to cast some votes. Preferably, not for me, because I am Town.

[celaph]

Define 'good' in this context please. Can be by example if you wish.

There are some obvious points like don't include yourself or the vig if they're outed.

Beyond that I would much rather get a group that is almost certainly clear (only not clear if all 3 are scum) than learn there is 1 or 2 scum in a group of 3. The latter is much less actionable. I could see a list like kgray, Vecna, a third (maybe rdr). They are my top two townreads right now and most likely to get us clears.

You think Rivera is towny too? Why?

Not especially, but I think that he makes a decent third. I'd probably put Damo+Bona in the running for that third spot. They all have moderate activity levels and haven't done anything I find particularly objectionable yet.

The other three near them activity level are Bozo, Darg, and me. Some of Bozo's opening questions were weird, Darg hasn't talked since page 6, and I know I'm town.

[bozotheclown]

Here is one way the PRs could proceed, if they both survive to D2. The Vig could target someone D1, then claim it D2. Assuming there is no CC, the Vig is cleared. That resolves 4 players by D2 (DK, NK, Vig kill, Vig). That leaves 8 players of unknown alignment from the Asker's perspective. If there are still 3 scum left, the Asker could ask if a group of 4 contains at least 2 scum. That provides a group of 4 (or possibly 3 depending on the DK) with at least 2 scum. If there are 2 scum left, asking if there are any scum in a group of 3 may be better. If there is only 1 scum left, narrowing the scum down to a group of 4 would provide 3 or 4 clears.

Asker will only give information after his death, are you suggesting we DK the Asker on D2 or I get it wrong?

No, that is just what I think would be good idea for the Asker D2 in case he does not survive until D3. I think the longer the Asker survives, the more useful his question will be. If the Asker survives until there are only 4 players left (which would mean only 1 scum left), he could claim and the last scum would have to either leave the Asker alive as a clear, or NK him and clear someone else (or get identified as scum).

I can't think of a situation where it would be better to DK the Asker. Maybe if the Asker is confident in who they think the remaining scum are, they would want to desperado the remaining scum.

[brainbomb]

Here is one way the PRs could proceed, if they both survive to D2. The Vig could target someone D1, then claim it D2. Assuming there is no CC, the Vig is cleared. That resolves 4 players by D2 (DK, NK, Vig kill, Vig). That leaves 8 players of unknown alignment from the Asker's perspective. If there are still 3 scum left, the Asker could ask if a group of 4 contains at least 2 scum. That provides a group of 4 (or possibly 3 depending on the DK) with at least 2 scum. If there are 2 scum left, asking if there are any scum in a group of 3 may be better. If there is only 1 scum left, narrowing the scum down to a group of 4 would provide 3 or 4 clears.

Asker will only give information after his death, are you suggesting we DK the Asker on D2 or I get it wrong?

No, that is just what I think would be good idea for the Asker D2 in case he does not survive until D3. I think the longer the Asker survives, the more useful his question will be. If the Asker survives until there are only 4 players left (which would mean only 1 scum left), he could claim and the last scum would have to either leave the Asker alive as a clear, or NK him and clear someone else (or get identified as scum).

I can't think of a situation where it would be better to DK the Asker. Maybe if the Asker is confident in who they think the remaining scum are, they would want to desperado the remaining scum.

its interesting that you think the asker is male

[kgray]

I tend to townread you for being logic and pushing the conversation but I didn't have that "she must he town monent".
Ifisch reaction to Vecna pressure looked towny, but with daychat it have less weight.
Vecna also didn't ring the must be town bell that usually happens.

I think Damo is laying too low and also Maniac, but can't call this a scumread.

That's silly, I'm obviously town. It's the curling getting between us, isn't it?

Do you really call yourself obvious town? I dont remember that

Do I normally? Probably not.

[kgray]

There are some obvious points like don't include yourself or the vig if they're outed.

Beyond that I would much rather get a group that is almost certainly clear (only not clear if all 3 are scum) than learn there is 1 or 2 scum in a group of 3. The latter is much less actionable. I could see a list like kgray, Vecna, a third (maybe rdr). They are my top two townreads right now and most likely to get us clears.

You think Rivera is towny too? Why?

Not especially, but I think that he makes a decent third. I'd probably put Damo+Bona in the running for that third spot. They all have moderate activity levels and haven't done anything I find particularly objectionable yet.

The other three near them activity level are Bozo, Darg, and me. Some of Bozo's opening questions were weird, Darg hasn't talked since page 6, and I know I'm town.

Jamie and brain are the most active players in the game. It's odd you're ignoring them when you're focusing on activity levels so much. What are your thoughts on them?

[brainbomb]

Is Rivera going to be next so you can complete the set?

no? I dont find riverdance scummy

It's probably townie that you didn't understand what I was saying.

what did this mean?

[kgray]

Asker will only give information after his death, are you suggesting we DK the Asker on D2 or I get it wrong?

No, that is just what I think would be good idea for the Asker D2 in case he does not survive until D3. I think the longer the Asker survives, the more useful his question will be. If the Asker survives until there are only 4 players left (which would mean only 1 scum left), he could claim and the last scum would have to either leave the Asker alive as a clear, or NK him and clear someone else (or get identified as scum).

I can't think of a situation where it would be better to DK the Asker. Maybe if the Asker is confident in who they think the remaining scum are, they would want to desperado the remaining scum.

its interesting that you think the asker is male

Bozo, Durga and I are scum together.

[kgray]

no? I dont find riverdance scummy

It's probably townie that you didn't understand what I was saying.

what did this mean?

You'd posted a reads list where you said you felt good about me, Vecna and Rivera. You moved your vote from me to Vecna, so I was asking if you were going to "complete the set" by voting for Rivera.

[kgray]

It's probably townie that you didn't understand what I was saying.

what did this mean?

You'd posted a reads list where you said you felt alright about me, Vecna and Rivera. You moved your vote from me to Vecna, so I was asking if you were going to "complete the set" by voting for Rivera.

Correction.

[bozotheclown]

Asker will only give information after his death, are you suggesting we DK the Asker on D2 or I get it wrong?

No, that is just what I think would be good idea for the Asker D2 in case he does not survive until D3. I think the longer the Asker survives, the more useful his question will be. If the Asker survives until there are only 4 players left (which would mean only 1 scum left), he could claim and the last scum would have to either leave the Asker alive as a clear, or NK him and clear someone else (or get identified as scum).

I can't think of a situation where it would be better to DK the Asker. Maybe if the Asker is confident in who they think the remaining scum are, they would want to desperado the remaining scum.

its interesting that you think the asker is male

That is a generic "he".

[BunnyGo]

Official vote count with just under 6 hours to play.

It looks like Jamie is set to be cut. It’s time for players to show what they can do for themselves .

Jamiet99uk (3) Vecna Bonatogether kgray
Durga (2) damo666 Jamiet99uk
bozotheclown (1) dargorygel
Vecna (1) brainbomb

[brainbomb]

No, that is just what I think would be good idea for the Asker D2 in case he does not survive until D3. I think the longer the Asker survives, the more useful his question will be. If the Asker survives until there are only 4 players left (which would mean only 1 scum left), he could claim and the last scum would have to either leave the Asker alive as a clear, or NK him and clear someone else (or get identified as scum).

I can't think of a situation where it would be better to DK the Asker. Maybe if the Asker is confident in who they think the remaining scum are, they would want to desperado the remaining scum.

its interesting that you think the asker is male

Bozo, Durga and I are scum together.

if you were that would be pretty historically bad as a slipfail

[celaph]

Is this sarcasm?

No. Did I miss a joke on your end or is something else leading you to believe I'm sarcastic?

Yes.

If your joke was the original message I quoted then I must say that it really didn't read like a joke.

##vote Jamiet99uk
To be clear, I'm voting Jamie because I need to vote and he is the most suspicious in my eyes at the moment. Not simply because he claims to have made a joke I didn't get.

[brainbomb]

you said he several times.

Im calling AOC this is some manwich bullshit

[kgray]

its interesting that you think the asker is male

Bozo, Durga and I are scum together.

if you were that would be pretty historically bad as a slipfail

It's also literally the only way what bozo said could be a scumslip.

[brainbomb]

what did this mean?

You'd posted a reads list where you said you felt alright about me, Vecna and Rivera. You moved your vote from me to Vecna, so I was asking if you were going to "complete the set" by voting for Rivera.

Correction.

I wanna feel better than alright