MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Maniac]

It's because the parrot can't work on me that s/he can clear me

Have you figured out your obvious mistake yet?

*anyone* with an action except the parrot is the one to test your claim...

Not a mistake, just reaction testing to make sure you're all still paying attention. Yep we have plenty of people who could target me and see that I'm AWOL tonight.

[BunnyGo]

Lol although, from kills it does seem plausible that scum team is Bona and Macca, no offense to them.

I dont think those players would go for these nk's at all. Those 2 players would take shots at me until im dead.

Maybe scum though that Rdrivera was loud doc.

Did someone claim yesterday that they were visited by Rdrivera? Guess theres a scenario where scum learn Rdrivera visited someone but me last night, so they thought he'd visit me tonight (which he did). Just didnt turn out the role they thought?

Either that, or maybe scum doesnt contain any actual goons and theyre hoping im hitting a miller in the bunch of potential town VT's. Or their remaining members are cleared by Celaph and theyre hoping ill sheep those results.

Theres a bunch of reasons for the kills really. Guess ive diverted a bit from the initial point I was trying to make.

Several of us intimated over the days that rdr visited us. When I told kgray "we have a mutual clear".

More recently when damo, brain and I were discussing what it would have taken for rdr to not be a townclear.

[Maniac]

I think bona's defense all game from others is that he is too scummy and brazen to be scum. His response to Vecna continues in that vein.

Maniac and Bob is interesting since Maniac has not attempted to claim that he could be tentacled town or another conspiracy theorist. So there's a definite scum in that pair.

Bob's claim doesn't make sense unless he is mafia and they auto if they can get town to kill town today. The fact Bob's claim came after Bona is on the block makes me suspect Bob may be trying to save Bona and they auto, or close to auto.

[BunnyGo]

I think bona's defense all game from others is that he is too scummy and brazen to be scum. His response to Vecna continues in that vein.

Maniac and Bob is interesting since Maniac has not attempted to claim that he could be tentacled town or another conspiracy theorist. So there's a definite scum in that pair.

Bob's claim doesn't make sense unless he is mafia and they auto if they can get town to kill town today. The fact Bob's claim came after Bona is on the block makes me suspect Bob may be trying to save Bona and they auto, or close to auto.

There is no way either scum team has an auto today: especially the mafia team.

[e.m.c^42]

My instinct is to kill bona here over Maniac, as the mafia can kill more, but if either of you wants to claim your scum role, it seems appropriate to kill the other.

Regardless of whether Bona is alive or dead, it wouldn't impact the number of kills N6 from my understanding. Either there is another mafia and kill would happen regardless, or there is no kill.

Or bona kills and commits suicide. Which is possibly worse than killing bona today.

That's the same result as "there is another mafia and kill would happen regardless", no?

[ghug]

I think bona's defense all game from others is that he is too scummy and brazen to be scum. His response to Vecna continues in that vein.

Maniac and Bob is interesting since Maniac has not attempted to claim that he could be tentacled town or another conspiracy theorist. So there's a definite scum in that pair.

Bob's claim doesn't make sense unless he is mafia and they auto if they can get town to kill town today. The fact Bob's claim came after Bona is on the block makes me suspect Bob may be trying to save Bona and they auto, or close to auto.

Bozo, brain, celaph, and HR all claimed mafia discards that I think we can safely believe. I'm inclined to believe Hannah jasnah as well, as her discarded lover could only be her real role if Donny is scum too, and nobody in their right mind would take mafia lover (her other card could still have been mafia as well. I'm also inclined to believe Bunny discarded the roleblocker, and I know I discarded a goon. Macca's dead. That leaves at most eight mafia in play, but very likely fewer. I suppose that means mafia auto could be possible, which is another reason to kill bona first, I guess.

[ghug]

Regardless of whether Bona is alive or dead, it wouldn't impact the number of kills N6 from my understanding. Either there is another mafia and kill would happen regardless, or there is no kill.

Or bona kills and commits suicide. Which is possibly worse than killing bona today.

That's the same result as "there is another mafia and kill would happen regardless", no?

It doesn't have to be. If bona's the only mafia, we stop a kill by killing him.

[Hamilton Brian]

How do the aliens scan? Non mafia and vanilla?

Non-mafia and mostly non-vanilla (unless they are sympathizer)

Want to quote this because I want to use it as an adjustment to Damo's living document of claims. I am thinking it allows for a wider net of possible suspects, right? So ensures a more skeptical view of them?

[Hamilton Brian]

why would vecna trade his life to kill a vt if he was an alien or maf

Bring it closer to the KILO point? Not a sexy answer but possible?

I see there's been some follow-up to the original post.

[Hamilton Brian]

##vote vecna

There's no way he has a guilty scan on me. It's flat-out not possible.

If you were a VT you'd know theres actual millers in the game. If you'd taken a different stance I mightve doubted the result since scanning claimed VT's is always iffy.

Seems like this was some sort of "gotcha" play you were doing with Bona, which I am still uncertain about.

For the people in the back, explain the "If you were a VT" part. What's the relevance with millers?

I see one in the deck; all their role suggests is "win when all non-town factions defeated." Boring.

[damo666]

We kill Bona

Bona flips vt => Kill Vecna tomorrow
Bona flips Mafia => Vecna as good as clear
Bona flips Miller => Vecna as good as clear
Bona flips Alien => We have a good think

[brainbomb]

Do you think the aliens are claiming mafia discards?

If they are it's because they honestly got an alien and a mafia. For all the reasons mentioned earlier, I would find it really dubious if someone claimed a discard that was neither of their cards unless that discard was mafia goon or town VT.

There are greater than average goon discards being claimed, so isn't it a logical conclusion to assume that there is at least one alien among the goon claims?

And isn't it odd, then, that there are only two VT discard claims?

[brainbomb]

I'm not alien, so it's not possible. Also my claim/discard doesn't line up with it.

You claim vt and to have discarded goon. I scanned you as vanilla. So from mpov it is possible that you are vt, goon or alien sympathiser.

I happen to think you are vt but alien sympathiser is not impossible (from outside pov).

oh. I thought sympathiser didn't scan as vanilla

[damo666]

##vote vecna

There's no way he has a guilty scan on me. It's flat-out not possible.

If you were a VT you'd know theres actual millers in the game. If you'd taken a different stance I mightve doubted the result since scanning claimed VT's is always iffy.

Seems like this was some sort of "gotcha" play you were doing with Bona, which I am still uncertain about.

For the people in the back, explain the "If you were a VT" part. What's the relevance with millers?

I see one in the deck; all their role suggests is "win when all non-town factions defeated." Boring.

They are vt but scan as Mafia.

[brainbomb]

Maybe you shouldn't have impulsively blurted it out then

Horseshit

It's a dumb role that not gonna draw nks, so there's no harm in claiming it

[brainbomb]

the motive to “not draw nightkills” does seem like a really weird reason to claim vt

[brainbomb]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... d=why&g=64

Amusing and lighthearted look
why?
why not.

[brainbomb]

Is bloodsucker really as bad as a kill though? They can still post, and they're conf not-alien (and likely conf-town).

Also, bloodsucker can't be used the same night as an nk.

You dead.

You no vote.

You just make noise.

Bona if not alien is sadly excellent target for tree stumping.

Why am I a good target for a tree stumping? There's been nothing indicating that I have a role that they'd want to target.

so a VT who doesnt want aliens to waste a stump on...

[brainbomb]

##Vote bona

[Bonatogether]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... d=why&g=64

Amusing and lighthearted look
why?
why not.

I don't get what you're saying?