MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[e.m.c^42]

I feel like we should all just Occam's razor this and go with simplest reads, since that's probably what it is.

[ghug]

When I open webdip and see the threads latest post is by Jamie I keep wishing on a small level it is to announce the game has ended and that the bad guys have conceded but I do not feel that the scum in this game are in any danger. It is very hard to transition back into solving mode when youve decided x is x and y is y. I can tell you from experience that scum will claim all throughout a game and look for windows of opportunity, theyll guess, theyll try to shoot the moon, or theyll use things within their own grasp to influence being mech cleared.

Yeah I was really hoping celaph's death would just end it.

[Bonatogether]

I feel like we should all just Occam's razor this and go with simplest reads, since that's probably what it is.

Who do you think it is?

[Hamilton Brian]

I was assuming his roman emperor shit was a macho cop claim

Really? How would you have lept to that? All this innuendo stuff!

What about coroner? Any sign of them?

startin the shrooms early?

Nope; just ate the chocolate now. Small dose.

Was trying to record a track for the DeadCoversProject2021 and got pissed off with both my playing and the sound; stripped everything and parsed it through some experimental filters. Sounds a lot like Neal Casal's Circles Around the Sun project from the Fare Thee Well shows in 2015.

My questions? My results?

[Hamilton Brian]

So who are the clear town reads? And Why?

Or are we back at the beginning?

[Ezio]

So who are the clear town reads? And Why?

Or are we back at the beginning?

That's a lot.
We have *tons* of ppl confirmed not mafia, but many fewer confirmed town.

[BunnyGo]

So who are the clear town reads? And Why?

Or are we back at the beginning?

That's a lot.
We have *tons* of ppl confirmed not mafia, but many fewer confirmed town.

Only if Vecna is town...

We have several more confirmed vanilla (if damo is town)

We have 3 town clears

[ghug]

So who are the clear town reads? And Why?

Or are we back at the beginning?

That's a lot.
We have *tons* of ppl confirmed not mafia, but many fewer confirmed town.

Only if Vecna is town...

We have several more confirmed vanilla (if damo is town)

We have 3 town clears

I'd call rd more of a 99.9%, but yeah.

[Donny Dude]

lfischl (8)
Hamilton Brian BobMcBob e.m.c^42 celaph damo666 Ezio Hellenic Riot ghug

Posting this for myself to look at for a more scum-motivated wagon on d1 and look at it again.

Brain, why do you think the massclaim and current reads have not been contested more?

[BunnyGo]

lfischl (8)
Hamilton Brian BobMcBob e.m.c^42 celaph damo666 Ezio Hellenic Riot ghug

Posting this for myself to look at for a more scum-motivated wagon on d1 and look at it again.

Brain, why do you think the massclaim and current reads have not been contested more?

Remember the competition was an alien. To the mafia, the wagons were both fine.

[Donny Dude]

lfischl (8)
Hamilton Brian BobMcBob e.m.c^42 celaph damo666 Ezio Hellenic Riot ghug

Posting this for myself to look at for a more scum-motivated wagon on d1 and look at it again.

Brain, why do you think the massclaim and current reads have not been contested more?

Remember the competition was an alien. To the mafia, the wagons were both fine.

I know, and I am thinking the alien would be on celaph cw instead of being off it completely like macca was.

[Hamilton Brian]

Alright, now y'all have lost me.

[Donny Dude]

Alright, now y'all have lost me.

Take more it can only help, bad idea bears says.

[BunnyGo]

Alright, now y'all have lost me.

Take more it can only help, bad idea bears says.

You're on a budget, you gotta buy in bulk!

[Donny Dude]

Hamilton votes for lfi with about 4 hours to go, admits he does not have any other scumreads in later posts and it is a spot to park at. Looks scummy, but for doc claim made d2 which is probably town.

Bob, Shades all other main wagons at time of vote of lfi, seems towny, although later admits rdr and damo would next to go, but says fisch barely. Lean town on although reads were vague on hr and celaph on good posts he remembers. Was not around for eod.

Okay, briefly running over things, I'll admit voting Demon was probably not a good move. The two leading wagons are definitely better. Bozo is an awful wagon for today in my opinion. I'm going to move to ##vote lfischl. I don't entirely like the memory half of the case on rdr. It's fine, but not good imo. I feel like I remember these sorts of arguments going wrong in the past (although I too may be misremembering). And fisch is just kinda odd. Honestly I'm not much convinced of one over the other.

Emc, Not much there other than not reading and rdr is not out of the ordinary. Scum reads lfi ,"Skimmed lfi, he seems to be faking the extremely noob thing in regards to Vecna, considering how much discord mafia he's played with Bona and co. So that vote seems understandable, what were other reasons?"
And votes for him with 13 minutes accord to bot.
With 4 minutes left to go asks if brain/bona had played with him, clearly having not read the thread, but knows the discord games number they have been in. Seems similar to ham where lack of being on top of it meant the easy target looked scummy, but less there to analyze from emc.

Celaph, known scum alien. Really weird post on kgray asking who is scummy,

While I like the people on rdr's wagon more than those on my own, I don't think that rdr is a great D1 kill. I think a lot of his scumminess is coming from general activity and unlike lfischl he produced content when he was around. That said, I like the argument that his agreement with kgray on BB was weird, it certainly was.

I agree with all of this, but I'm struggling to think of scummier people. Who's your top scumread?

In terms of absolute scumminess I think bunny, but the cost if I'm wrong is higher than with with lfischl.

Does not like rdr as a kill.

Damo, only mention of lfi is at end with 9 to go and voting for him 5 minutes after voting for bunny. No clear mention of celaph on d1. Null.

Ezio, Hops in with 5 hours to go with a no-kill. Thinks Damo claimed miller.
8 minutes left votes lfi. Interesting statement on discard nonsense. Scumlean because of fake discard on d2.

Hr, Scum alien protecting teammate most likely.

Ghug, first voter for lfi all game. Went between celaph and lfi a lot. Most likely mafia voter on the whole wagon. Somehow only mentions macca twice. The vote for ezio sticks out as it tie, though ghug did claim his later votes were to break the tie which is true. Not likely to be an alien based on interaction, I don't think.

K, that was not helpful at all. Nothing super clear to me at all.

[Donny Dude]

K, I will now highlight end d1 and d2 and wagons.
lfischl (8)
Hamilton Brian BobMcBob e.m.c^42 celaph damo666 Ezio Hellenic Riot ghug

celaph (8)
kgray Donny Dude BunnyGo DemonRHK lfischl Maniac
jasnah Bonatogether(technically on lfi.)
Rest off wagon

celaph (7)
damo666 ghug brainbomb Bonatogether Macca573 BunnyGo Maniac

Ezio (7)
Hamilton Brian Donny Dude e.m.c^42 Vecna jasnah celaph Hellenic Riot

Hellenic Riot (3)
DemonRHK rdrivera2005 kgray

[Donny Dude]

K, I will now highlight end d1 and d2 and wagons.
lfischl (8)
Hamilton Brian BobMcBob e.m.c^42 celaph damo666 Ezio Hellenic Riot ghug

celaph (8)
kgray Donny Dude BunnyGo DemonRHK lfischl Maniac
jasnah Bonatogether(technically on lfi.)
Rest off wagon

celaph (7)
damo666 ghug brainbomb Bonatogether Macca573 BunnyGo Maniac

Ezio (7)
Hamilton Brian Donny Dude e.m.c^42 Vecna jasnah celaph Hellenic Riot

Hellenic Riot (3)
DemonRHK rdrivera2005 kgray

Colors went terribly awry. Tried to denote based off movement pattern.

[Donny Dude]

If I were to throw a dart and say who the third teammate is I would say it would be emc or jasnah with an outside chance of a ghug bussing.

[BobMcBob]

Okay, good result, but expected. I have not caught up at all, I'll try and do that over the next 7 hours or so, and give some thoughts about reads and stuff. Only 12 pages can't be too bad.

[Bonatogether]

K, I will now highlight end d1 and d2 and wagons.
lfischl (8)
Hamilton Brian BobMcBob e.m.c^42 celaph damo666 Ezio Hellenic Riot ghug

celaph (8)
kgray Donny Dude BunnyGo DemonRHK lfischl Maniac
jasnah Bonatogether(technically on lfi.)
Rest off wagon

celaph (7)
damo666 ghug brainbomb Bonatogether Macca573 BunnyGo Maniac

Ezio (7)
Hamilton Brian Donny Dude e.m.c^42 Vecna jasnah celaph Hellenic Riot

Hellenic Riot (3)
DemonRHK rdrivera2005 kgray

Colors went terribly awry. Tried to denote based off movement pattern.

I'm confused about how the colors line up with movement - is it by wagon? by time moved onto final wagon?