MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[e.m.c^42]

It doesn't seem as much people as one person with runaway supporters.

[kgray]

It doesn't seem as much people as one person with runaway supporters.

Sorry, what are you referring to?

[e.m.c^42]

It doesn't seem as much people as one person with runaway supporters.

Sorry, what are you referring to?

Oh, coaching accusations.

[brainbomb]

If im the serial killer how would you rate my play so far

[e.m.c^42]

If im the serial killer how would you rate my play so far

Mediocre, but not bad since apparently other people are townreading you.

[ghug]

If im the serial killer how would you rate my play so far

10/10 continue not killing

[kgray]

It doesn't seem as much people as one person with runaway supporters.

Sorry, what are you referring to?

Oh, coaching accusations.

I just searched coach* in the bot and I found fewer results than I expected, so maybe it's not as prevalent of an argument as I thought. Who do you think is the person leading the coaching accusations?

[BunnyGo]

Oh boy a relatively new player who is yet to really find their feet in mafia and regularly gets confused hasn't made any deep, insightful comments indicating that they have utilised their experience with the game to the benefit of town. Um, what was your case again? Macca isn't exactly the towniest person ever, but lack of towniness doesn't mean scumminess, especially in this case.

Luckily however, they aren't a total newbie and so instead of just deflecting and dismissing arguments under some premise of newbie incompetence, we can just compare performances.

Let me cherry pick out two messages from M61. The first is a defense and justification of Maniac's play. They analyze his actions and come to a conclusion that was unpopular among the town (see the message above). They consider his incentives as both town and scum for making such a play. And they acted on both of those aspects in a fashion that is internally consistent. For another example, see how they contributed to a wagon on Seth. Not only did they read the case and like it, they drew connections with the already made case to other comments and observations to further it. They commented on how Seth's impacts their conclusions.

Compare that to some of their notable comments this game. Besides the colors, their D2 reads list is purely parroting thoughts others have had. I feel similarly about their D1 reads list save the line "I didn't like the Bunny-Ghug go-between. I do not think these two are on the same team (including TT)." Beyond that, their comments have been very surface level, a fact we seem to agree on.

They're clearly capable of deep and insightful comments as they've made them in the past as town. One does not have to have fully found their feet in order to synthesize information can come to conclusions beyond what has already been said.

Could he have been coached to make this remark? I don't see how celaph would know the details of previous games.

I doubt it. This seems like what I recall of celaph

[BunnyGo]

If im the serial killer how would you rate my play so far

Well chosen strategy. Excellent hiding. Kaiser Sose.

[ghug]

##CALLGM The bot is broken enough to warrant contacting Peter, in case you weren't aware yet. I'm guessing it was the deleting of messages.

[Bonatogether]

The bot...? Why do people keep throwing around coaching accusations?

I think he's scum being told what to say

[BunnyGo]

Ok. Can’t stay long. And won’t be around later. So...rdrs reads are very close to my own.

To investigators: I’d recommend focusing on the deep threats. Make sure someone doesn’t slip through. Your Bobs, brains, kgrays, Vecna.

I townread most of them. But they could be problematic. This is a test match, and we’re up after the first innings. Play a safe and defensive second innings.

Other town reads: bona, rdr, Damo , Hamilton

Scum reads: jasnah, celaph, Macca, Donny, ezio

Everyone else is on the spectrum in between.

I’d be very surprised if my “other town” are not town. I’d be very surprised if more than 1 of my deep threats isn’t town. I could believe I’m wrong on half the scum reads. But if there aren’t two scum there, I’d be disappointed in my reads.

Good luck.

[ghug]

Ok. Can’t stay long. And won’t be around later. So...rdrs reads are very close to my own.

To investigators: I’d recommend focusing on the deep threats. Make sure someone doesn’t slip through. Your Bobs, brains, kgrays, Vecna.

I townread most of them. But they could be problematic. This is a test match, and we’re up after the first innings. Play a safe and defensive second innings.

Other town reads: bona, rdr, Damo , Hamilton

Scum reads: jasnah, celaph, Macca, Donny, ezio

Everyone else is on the spectrum in between.

I’d be very surprised if my “other town” are not town. I’d be very surprised if more than 1 of my deep threats isn’t town. I could believe I’m wrong on half the scum reads. But if there aren’t two scum there, I’d be disappointed in my reads.

Good luck.

Bunny thinks town is winning. Must be scum.

[ghug]

Also why do you townread Vecna?

[BunnyGo]

Also why do you townread Vecna?

I realize his absences makes it feel bad. It also makes it hard to push him. But I think when he’s here, he’s participating. Even with the silly WIFOM with Caesar. I get a towny vibe from his interactions with players. It’s playful, but substantial. I also haven’t noticed anything that suggests he isn’t hunting or knows too much. Could I be wrong? Yes. He is the one I most expect to be wrong about in that list. But if he can be mech cleared (except SK)? Big win!

That does remind me: we won’t know when the game is over. At some point it could be worth just no-killing to see if mafia/sk let us just keep having nights to scan. Something to consider in end game.

[brainbomb]

I am the loud doctor
I will not say my visits as they know who I am
all I can tell you is I did not save damo last night so I can tonight

[dargorygel]

##CALLGM The bot is broken enough to warrant contacting Peter, in case you weren't aware yet. I'm guessing it was the deleting of messages.

I'm on it.
It has effected the page referencing... I am hoping it will not effect vote counts. I have contacted Master Peter.

[Ezio]

I am the loud doctor
I will not say my visits as they know who I am
all I can tell you is I did not save damo last night so I can tonight

Man. These are the types of bullshit fake claims that are great for town, but they kinda gotta come from someone other than bb for anyone to have a chance of believing them.
Feelsbadman

[e.m.c^42]

Sorry, what are you referring to?

Oh, coaching accusations.

I just searched coach* in the bot and I found fewer results than I expected, so maybe it's not as prevalent of an argument as I thought. Who do you think is the person leading the coaching accusations?

I can't recall who in specificity but it all felt similar lol

[ghug]

I am the loud doctor
I will not say my visits as they know who I am
all I can tell you is I did not save damo last night so I can tonight

Man. These are the types of bullshit fake claims that are great for town, but they kinda gotta come from someone other than bb for anyone to have a chance of believing them.
Feelsbadman

I am the loud doctor
I will not say my visits as they know who I am
all I can tell you is I did not save damo last night so I can tonight