MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Hamilton Brian]

So far, after reading Brain, Bunny, kgray, ghug, and Bona over, seems like
a) there's a bunch of role stuff that's pissing me off because some of you seem to be running some permutations ...and

b) Macca or Celaph might be D4 kills?

[BunnyGo]

So far, after reading Brain, Bunny, kgray, ghug, and Bona over, seems like
a) there's a bunch of role stuff that's pissing me off because some of you seem to be running some permutations ...and

b) Macca or Celaph might be D4 kills?

yup

[Bonatogether]

Bunny, I personally believe that your tinfoil theory is quite a bit less likely than mafia NK and docsave. It's simpler, requires less assumptions and twisting to get it to work. Also given the people who are likeliest to be aliens, the alien team doesn't seem like it's likely to be lacking *that* much experience. If damo was conspiracy theorist I'd say your theory would be much more likely, but he's not a direct threat and I expect aliens to save their kill for the endgame.

That's also a good point.

Did you ignore my message WHERE I QUOTED AND HIGHLIGHTED DAMO SAYING HE WAS DOC SAVED

[BobMcBob]

So far, after reading Brain, Bunny, kgray, ghug, and Bona over, seems like
a) there's a bunch of role stuff that's pissing me off because some of you seem to be running some permutations ...and

b) Macca or Celaph might be D4 kills?

yup

Correct, although from what I've heard so far there's a significantly better reason for celaph than Macca.

[BunnyGo]

Bunny, I personally believe that your tinfoil theory is quite a bit less likely than mafia NK and docsave. It's simpler, requires less assumptions and twisting to get it to work. Also given the people who are likeliest to be aliens, the alien team doesn't seem like it's likely to be lacking *that* much experience. If damo was conspiracy theorist I'd say your theory would be much more likely, but he's not a direct threat and I expect aliens to save their kill for the endgame.

That's also a good point.

Did you ignore my message WHERE I QUOTED AND HIGHLIGHTED DAMO SAYING HE WAS DOC SAVED

No...but you didn't understand the response. The tinfoil theory is that the aliens tried to kill damo, because there's no way they wanted him alive and unroleblocked.

[BobMcBob]

Bunny, I personally believe that your tinfoil theory is quite a bit less likely than mafia NK and docsave. It's simpler, requires less assumptions and twisting to get it to work. Also given the people who are likeliest to be aliens, the alien team doesn't seem like it's likely to be lacking *that* much experience. If damo was conspiracy theorist I'd say your theory would be much more likely, but he's not a direct threat and I expect aliens to save their kill for the endgame.

That's also a good point.

Did you ignore my message WHERE I QUOTED AND HIGHLIGHTED DAMO SAYING HE WAS DOC SAVED

Bunny's theory is that Macca performs NK, doc saves damo, aliens NK damo, aliens RB Macca. It is functional, but complex and imo significantly less likely than the alternative.

[celaph]

So far, after reading Brain, Bunny, kgray, ghug, and Bona over, seems like
a) there's a bunch of role stuff that's pissing me off because some of you seem to be running some permutations ...and

b) Macca or Celaph might be D4 kills?

yup

Correct, although from what I've heard so far there's a significantly better reason for celaph than Macca.

This might be true, but I know one of these is definitely town and it's not Macca.

[Bonatogether]

That's also a good point.

Did you ignore my message WHERE I QUOTED AND HIGHLIGHTED DAMO SAYING HE WAS DOC SAVED

Bunny's theory is that Macca performs NK, doc saves damo, aliens NK damo, aliens RB Macca. It is functional, but complex and imo significantly less likely than the alternative.

but this doesn't implicate macca? im confused

[kgray]

It is a reasonable alternative. So the mafia decided that damo's role is a threat to them? And the aliens decided to try and clear a dead man walking instead of dealing with an existential threat? This suggests the aliens don't have a lot of experience knowing that HR was dead even if he had been the jailor.

It also suggests the mafia team has no goons (not that they could have many). And that there is no SK, as an SK would never target damo.

Also that the mafia may not have any underdogs. It would have been clear to use a RB on a doctor last night to kill damo? That leaves: Governor, and Strongman?

Why do assume the alien team doesn't have a lot of experience? At the very least HR was on it, and he's one of the most experienced players here, no?

What no mafia goons?

Why do you think the SK couldn't just be holding?

And why no underdogs?

Basically where are any of these assumptions coming from?

[Donny Dude]

Looking at that other macca scum game from m49, Macca likes to storytell theories to target someone and prefers to posts reads as a large list. Another thing there is that he fakeclaimed like 3 times.
It does not seem like he has posted super large posts this game targeting specific people at first glance.

[BunnyGo]

Did you ignore my message WHERE I QUOTED AND HIGHLIGHTED DAMO SAYING HE WAS DOC SAVED

Bunny's theory is that Macca performs NK, doc saves damo, aliens NK damo, aliens RB Macca. It is functional, but complex and imo significantly less likely than the alternative.

but this doesn't implicate macca? im confused

Everything bob (and others) have said is true. This theory requires the assumption that the aliens tried to kill damo.

But if that is correct, then where was the other NK?

[Bonatogether]

Bunny's theory is that Macca performs NK, doc saves damo, aliens NK damo, aliens RB Macca. It is functional, but complex and imo significantly less likely than the alternative.

but this doesn't implicate macca? im confused

Everything bob (and others) have said is true. This theory requires the assumption that the aliens tried to kill damo.

But if that is correct, then where was the other NK?

Why the fuck would aliens not hold it

[Hamilton Brian]

So far, after reading Brain, Bunny, kgray, ghug, and Bona over, seems like
a) there's a bunch of role stuff that's pissing me off because some of you seem to be running some permutations ...and

b) Macca or Celaph might be D4 kills?

yup

Correct, although from what I've heard so far there's a significantly better reason for celaph than Macca.

Yes; just got that from re-reading Damo.

[kgray]

In case you missed my answer already on this page that you already responded to...scroll up.

I do not see an answer to this question in your answer to this question.

Macca confessed to being RBd. They should have just been silent and denied it and let us kill HR.

But they didn't understand the full implications.

BUT this all fits in with the larger theory that you and kgray say is interesting but not your primary read (about damo being targeted by aliens)

I dare you to show me where I said this theory was interesting.

I understand that it's a scenario that could fit the facts but I don't find it particularly likely and I really dislike that there's talk of a Macca wagon just because they happened to be the aliens' RB choice.

[BunnyGo]

It is a reasonable alternative. So the mafia decided that damo's role is a threat to them? And the aliens decided to try and clear a dead man walking instead of dealing with an existential threat? This suggests the aliens don't have a lot of experience knowing that HR was dead even if he had been the jailor.

It also suggests the mafia team has no goons (not that they could have many). And that there is no SK, as an SK would never target damo.

Also that the mafia may not have any underdogs. It would have been clear to use a RB on a doctor last night to kill damo? That leaves: Governor, and Strongman?

Why do assume the alien team doesn't have a lot of experience? At the very least HR was on it, and he's one of the most experienced players here, no?

Targeting Macca for a RB with the idea that HR was going to get off? Why put HR in this position at all? I don't see a comfortable and experienced scum team here. I see either a scum team that feels cornered or one that is inexperienced.

What no mafia goons?

No. All but one are claimed discarded. Which does mean that damo is a threat to them too.

Why do you think the SK couldn't just be holding?
To what end? Do they not want to speed up the clock?

And why no underdogs?
Where are their actions? If mafia targeted damo and we had Hamilton as a known cop, why was Hamilton not roleblocked. I don't know if it was Hamilton that saved damo, but it seems foolish to both not use the strongman (if extant) AND not use a roleblock on the known doctor.

Basically where are any of these assumptions coming from?
Elementary, dear Watson.

[BunnyGo]

but this doesn't implicate macca? im confused

Everything bob (and others) have said is true. This theory requires the assumption that the aliens tried to kill damo.

But if that is correct, then where was the other NK?

Why the fuck would aliens not hold it

Panic

[Bonatogether]

Everything bob (and others) have said is true. This theory requires the assumption that the aliens tried to kill damo.

But if that is correct, then where was the other NK?

Why the fuck would aliens not hold it

Panic

Panic doesn't last a full night phase

[BunnyGo]

I do not see an answer to this question in your answer to this question.

Macca confessed to being RBd. They should have just been silent and denied it and let us kill HR.

But they didn't understand the full implications.

BUT this all fits in with the larger theory that you and kgray say is interesting but not your primary read (about damo being targeted by aliens)

I dare you to show me where I said this theory was interesting.

I understand that it's a scenario that could fit the facts but I don't find it particularly likely and I really dislike that there's talk of a Macca wagon just because they happened to be the aliens' RB choice.

Ah well, celaph is currently much more appealing. But needs must run through the finish line. Luck favors the prepared.

[kgray]

I do not see an answer to this question in your answer to this question.

Macca confessed to being RBd. They should have just been silent and denied it and let us kill HR.

But they didn't understand the full implications.

BUT this all fits in with the larger theory that you and kgray say is interesting but not your primary read (about damo being targeted by aliens)

I'm still not getting it. Spell it out to me as if I'm your intellectual equal. How is confessing they were roleblocked confessing to being mafia?

Because it's an easy target for scum to pick without having to explain any sort of actual read. I'm surprised you're not supporting this

[TheMadMonarch]

yup

Correct, although from what I've heard so far there's a significantly better reason for celaph than Macca.

This might be true, but I know one of these is definitely town and it's not Macca.

Strange, because I have the opposite opinion.