MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

In case you missed this last page, Bunny.

In case you missed my answer already on this page that you already responded to...scroll up.

I do not see an answer to this question in your answer to this question.

Macca confessed to being RBd. They should have just been silent and denied it and let us kill HR.

But they didn't understand the full implications.

BUT this all fits in with the larger theory that you and kgray say is interesting but not your primary read (about damo being targeted by aliens)

[Bonatogether]

Macca confessed to being RBd. They should have just been silent and denied it and let us kill HR.

But they didn't understand the full implications.

BUT this all fits in with the larger theory that you and kgray say is interesting but not your primary read (about damo being targeted by aliens)

To hell with it

##vote HR ##end

I WAS SAVED LAST NIGHT

@Jailer if you exist (and are not HR) please jail me tonight. Doc self save and save me the next night.

[Bonatogether]

It's possible but not necessary that macca was the killer

[ghug]

In case you missed my answer already on this page that you already responded to...scroll up.

I do not see an answer to this question in your answer to this question.

Macca confessed to being RBd. They should have just been silent and denied it and let us kill HR.

But they didn't understand the full implications.

BUT this all fits in with the larger theory that you and kgray say is interesting but not your primary read (about damo being targeted by aliens)

I'm still not getting it. Spell it out to me as if I'm your intellectual equal. How is confessing they were roleblocked confessing to being mafia?

[BunnyGo]

It's possible but not necessary that macca was the killer

Correct.

I had been thinking that the aliens wouldn't use prober on anyone but damo unless damo was dead. So that the aliens targeted damo for death.

But if the mafia targeted damo, then indeed Macca wasn't the killer.

[Bonatogether]

It's possible but not necessary that macca was the killer

Correct.

I had been thinking that the aliens wouldn't use prober on anyone but damo unless damo was dead. So that the aliens targeted damo for death.

But if the mafia targeted damo, then indeed Macca wasn't the killer.

I thought you were saying that macca was mafia who targeted damo?

[Bonatogether]

Bunny did you see the message I quoted where damo said that he was doc saved? That kinda knocks the floor out

[BobMcBob]

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Also, what are you talking about, Macca was pressured into revealing they're a member of the mafia? Where did that happen?

Why was there no-kill yesterday? Why was damo allowed to scan again yesterday? Why did the aliens RB Macca instead of damo?

Theory:

Aliens decided to kill damo instead of RBing him.
They RB'd Macca.

That's only 1 NK though, the second was supposed to be performed by Macca. They were pushed to reveal that they'd be RB'd, without considering all the implications of what had happened.

Conclusion: If damo was targeted by the aliens for death, then Macca is mafia.

I mean, it's a theory, but it's nothing more than that. It's another potential way Macca could be mafia on top of just that he got RB'ed to maybe protect HR, but we have no way of knowing this. And mafia could just as easily have targeted damo. Depending on their roles and discard claims they may have felt the need to.

[BunnyGo]

I do not see an answer to this question in your answer to this question.

Macca confessed to being RBd. They should have just been silent and denied it and let us kill HR.

But they didn't understand the full implications.

BUT this all fits in with the larger theory that you and kgray say is interesting but not your primary read (about damo being targeted by aliens)

I'm still not getting it. Spell it out to me as if I'm your intellectual equal. How is confessing they were roleblocked confessing to being mafia?

I'm tinfoiling a bit here. It requires the belief that the aliens wouldn't leave damo alive without also roleblocking him.

So that when the aliens decided to roleblock Macca, THEY were the ones targeting damo.

IN THAT CASE, why no deaths? Macca was the mafia killer. And they were roleblocked.

Macca may have felt pressured to reveal the roleblock since HR was so insistent they'd have something to say. But this would then reveal how the second NK was prevented.


If I'm wrong about the aliens being the team targeting damo, then I'm wrong about this too.

[BunnyGo]

As a very reasonable counterpoint to the tinfoil theory:

kgray suggests the aliens would pocket their 1 NK

ghug suggests that the aliens are using the prober to find more useful targets rather than chase one known target and hope the mafia deal with damo.

Both points are reasonable.

[Donny Dude]

If the Aliens did use their kill on Damo and I do see the points for why they may just rb Damo, they would probably need to tree stump or vannillasize Damo. Unless they are hoping mafia kill him.

[TheMadMonarch]

What did you expect?

The jailer or prober.
It makes sense though, he was probably told in QT who was getting done.

Makes sense. Why do you think the aliens didn't probe damo?

Since everyone knows I'm near always last online, by making the the "clear", it gives HR the most time to get his team info.

[TheMadMonarch]

In case you missed my answer already on this page that you already responded to...scroll up.

I do not see an answer to this question in your answer to this question.

Macca confessed to being RBd. They should have just been silent and denied it and let us kill HR.

But they didn't understand the full implications.

BUT this all fits in with the larger theory that you and kgray say is interesting but not your primary read (about damo being targeted by aliens)

um...

However, it is something I would otherwise claim...

Macca, if you were saved last night or roleblocked you should claim. If it was something that could expose your role then think carefully if it's worth.

In this set up I don’t think a save clears anyone, but yes if that’s what’s happened you should prob claim.

I thought you should always claim RBs. And what would delaying HR acheive? He pulls info from us?

[BunnyGo]

If the Aliens did use their kill on Damo and I do see the points for why they may just rb Damo, they would probably need to tree stump or vannillasize Damo. Unless they are hoping mafia kill him.

^ scum

[e.m.c^42]

M22, Maniac
Copy/paste URL: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=22&user=Maniac

He was scum here and this was always my most prolific memory of his scum meta. He was brilliant and got caught but won because teacon was a masterpeice

Thanks BB,
I took a quick scroll and some things I picked up was preacing on players/ everyone and a lot of paranoid theories that would be longer posts.
It seems to match up, is there a more recent game to look at?

I believe this is his most recent scum game (M49)

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=49&user=Maniac

[e.m.c^42]

@Maaca I think Bungo is referring to optimal scum play; if you were roleblocked in this scenario, it would've been better to stay silent as scum. Claiming draws undue suspicion and is likely a towny factor (but imo it's negated by being new).

[e.m.c^42]

*Macca lol, misspelt that.

[Donny Dude]

If the Aliens did use their kill on Damo and I do see the points for why they may just rb Damo, they would probably need to tree stump or vannillasize Damo. Unless they are hoping mafia kill him.

^ scum

Bunny, My additional thinking is Damo is from the mafia team perspective is more valuable to keep around than a usual pr due to tentacles and getting town to get rid of aliens.

[BobMcBob]

Bunny, I personally believe that your tinfoil theory is quite a bit less likely than mafia NK and docsave. It's simpler, requires less assumptions and twisting to get it to work. Also given the people who are likeliest to be aliens, the alien team doesn't seem like it's likely to be lacking *that* much experience. If damo was conspiracy theorist I'd say your theory would be much more likely, but he's not a direct threat and I expect aliens to save their kill for the endgame.

[BunnyGo]

Bunny, I personally believe that your tinfoil theory is quite a bit less likely than mafia NK and docsave. It's simpler, requires less assumptions and twisting to get it to work. Also given the people who are likeliest to be aliens, the alien team doesn't seem like it's likely to be lacking *that* much experience. If damo was conspiracy theorist I'd say your theory would be much more likely, but he's not a direct threat and I expect aliens to save their kill for the endgame.

That's also a good point.