MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

So let me get this straight...

There are only two possibilities. There is either (a) Alien PsychoTrooper or (b) there isn't and that role reverses all investigations. It's a fun role so good chance that if it was dealt then someone would choose it.

Damo666 has an innocent scan on Celaph which means (a1) Celaph is town or Alien. As there are far more town roles than Alien, it's more likely he is town or (b1) Celaph is Mafia.

So the recommendation is we kill Celaph to see if there is an alien PsychoTrooper.

Pros: (a2) Alien PsychoTrooper exists
1 - If Celaph flips scum we know for sure if there is a PsychoTrooper (unless he is an Alien). Because Mafia already knew if Celaph was Mafia and now he has an inno scan, they already know if there is a PsychoTrooper so they don't learn any more.
2 - we can do some VCA if celaph is Mafia
3 - we have killed a mafia
Cons:
None

Pros: (b2) Alien PsychoTrooper doesn't exists
1 - We learn that psychotrooper doesn't exist.

Cons:
1 - We lose a Townie

Are there other ways of determining if PsychoTrooper exists?
Yes. If there is no RB then damo can get a collection of scans and as soon as any of those don't tie up with their flip a Psychotrooper is exposed.
Or the Coroner can investigate a dead body and to see who killed them.

What good does knowing about PschoTropper do for us?
If Damo is RB/Killed we might never get anymore scans anyway.

On balance it's worth killing Celaph for info, that may only be VCA

This doesnt look right given maniacs devoid interest in the game

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I cant find any incriminating manic posts in his ISO. which means hes scum. this ISO is barren, clean and tonally very “Oh wow... how did that happen, gosh you guys sure do look bad”.

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unreal. Obviously HR looks awful here and deserves to die tomorrow

Also Ezio, Rdr, BobMcBob, demon, Kgray, you all share the blame for this omnishambles. Make your mind up between between the top wagons.

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Well that's not a good start. RIP lfischl

Thought we had a tie then so well done Bona for breaking the tie, I know it ended up bad, but you did the right thing.

Again this just feels like hes laughing histerically writing this shit

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Let’s not kill Ghug D1.

Yes there is a chance any one of you could be scum, but if Ghug is town he is a damn fine town player and we need damn find town players.

##LoveGhug

Me and Maniac are basically best friends. By the way, where do I sign up for #maniacformod advertising manager? Do I get paid?

Are there any past instances of interactions between these two in other games?

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HR - I can't remember much other than there was an early interaction with ghug or someone that seemed pretty townie at the time.

Emc - needs to show up more. He even missed the limerick session. Very disappointing. Odd behaviour but seems pretty standard for him. Null but I don't like his absence.

Maniac - idk what maniac's brand is, I wouldn't expect it to be this. Very low activity, half of the posts were jokes, idk what to think. Slight scumlean and needs to show up more.

Vecna - null. I don't like the inactivity but he has a reason.

Ezio - null. Obviously.

Btw, I am fully aware that this list favours the active players significantly, as well as people who look helpful at a glance. I plan to go back and reread some people to get a better grasp on them. I think it is very likely that at least one scum, if not two, is hidden inside the active posters, all of which I townleaned or better. I am also aware that I have been harsh on low posters, but I think that's somewhat more reasonable.

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Now celaph is composing private message, and Maniac is viewing one!

So this should probably be bannable btw. why would you ever fucking think this was ok

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see now because ive seen that post by bunny I am forced to assume manuac wasnt in a QT, because he can send a for spectators msg in his qt, and submit orders in his qt.

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so I rescind my scumread on maniac

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@Maniac

as scum would you ever send the GM thoughts for the god thread by PM, or would you usually just post it maf chat if you had a thought you wanted gm to see

[BunnyGo]

@bona can you comment on Bunny's question about why you said SK would be solvey but then don't list solvey people as SK candidates?

I put that as the most likely strategy, but I don't expect anyone to completely change their playstyle to match, but to shift their play towards it.

So basically, you listed what you thought people would do with roles based on your opinions. Then you listed your opinions with no research on what people were doing. Then you didn’t even match impressions to role guesses because that’s all just opinion anyways. You just put out something to seem like you were solving, but in fact demonstrated you’d done no reading at all?

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now im just pissed off im leavin. wish I hadnt read that post

[BunnyGo]

Now celaph is composing private message, and Maniac is viewing one!

So this should probably be bannable btw. why would you ever fucking think this was ok

It’s been ok before. And it’s not actually any intel. Any player here not looking at PMs is doing it wrong. It’s the responses that’s interesting. In addition it is available to all and even mentioned in thread prior with instructions. Hardly unique intel.

On the other hand, I go out of my way to avoid contact on discord or other settings with players during the game. That’s very different.

[BunnyGo]

see now because ive seen that post by bunny I am forced to assume manuac wasnt in a QT, because he can send a for spectators msg in his qt, and submit orders in his qt.

Why? That’s an absurd conclusion even for you.

[ghug]

see now because ive seen that post by bunny I am forced to assume manuac wasnt in a QT, because he can send a for spectators msg in his qt, and submit orders in his qt.

Why? That’s an absurd conclusion even for you.

It's really not.

[BunnyGo]

now im just pissed off im leavin. wish I hadnt read that post

Complain to the GM. Or don’t.

[BunnyGo]

see now because ive seen that post by bunny I am forced to assume manuac wasnt in a QT, because he can send a for spectators msg in his qt, and submit orders in his qt.

Why? That’s an absurd conclusion even for you.

It's really not.

The rules spelled out all messages of orders had to be sent in PM. Anyone with a QT would be using PMs. Anyone without a QT would be using PMs. The GM specified this. Twice.

[Bonatogether]

So basically, you listed what you thought people would do with roles based on your opinions.

No, I considered what the best strategy would be for each faction, and I put out reasons. No one has pointed out anything wrong with it ("scum would do x, but you said y"). Everyone who has gone against it has done nothing more than say "it's dumb and entirely opinion-based."

Then you listed your opinions with no research on what people were doing. Then you didn’t even match impressions to role guesses because that’s all just opinion anyways.

I reread 6 or 7 players to get a better feel for them, and I already stated that the best play for the player is to shift your town meta towards the best play for the faction.

You just put out something to seem like you were solving, but in fact demonstrated you’d done no reading at all?

This is absolute bullshit and you know it. I've been reading the thread, I've been posting, I've been putting out my ideas (compare my posting the last 2 games to this one), so there's absolutely no basis for you to claim that I've done no reading.

[ghug]

Why? That’s an absurd conclusion even for you.

It's really not.

The rules spelled out all messages of orders had to be sent in PM. Anyone with a QT would be using PMs. Anyone without a QT would be using PMs. The GM specified this. Twice.

Were the rules changed this game specifically?

[ghug]

It's really not.

The rules spelled out all messages of orders had to be sent in PM. Anyone with a QT would be using PMs. Anyone without a QT would be using PMs. The GM specified this. Twice.

Were the rules changed this game specifically?

And frankly, even if they were, players in QTs with GM questions are much more likely to be asking them in the QT, so it's telling regardless.