MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

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[kgray]

D1 Damo666 said “Celaph is NOT an Alien.

D3 Damo666 said..

As I have been asked to hold on revealing I will withhold some info until EON.

However I will reveal this:

I KNOW WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY THAT ALIEN PSYCHOTROOPER IS IN PLAY

I have no info regarding HR

So we now know that according to Damo, Celaph must be an alien. OR Damo666 is lying and probably scum.

So our correct play now is kill Celaph. If he is Alien Damo666 is clear and obviously our next kill is then HR. D2 EOD is already terrible but if he has saved an alien that’s the final nail in the coffin for HR.

However, if Celaph flips town. Damo666 is lying scum and HR’s actions don’t look so bad.

If Celaph flips mafia we can kill Damo666 and HR.

##voteCelaph

How is this your reaction when you were so high-and-mighty about people assuming damo was the conspiracy theorist and why you thought damo was vanilla cop?

[brainbomb]

I feel like there's a pretty gigantic hole in the 'daykill celaph to figure out if there's a psycho' theory in that if the roleblocker is the alien rb role then damo is never going to get any more reports anyway, so we'd be better off keeping Celaph and possibly forcing the scum team to waste an NK on him to prevent a potential clear reaching the endgame

Damo what do you think of this? is HR talking about himself here?

[Hamilton Brian]

I am still trying to catch up so there's a lot of gist that I have glossed over trying to get to the juicy bits that turned up last night. I don't think there is anything pulling this HR train back to the station so
##VOTE HR

Is there anything else that's come through the interactions between HR and Macca?

[kgray]

so who should I study today

STUDY THE ELEGANT FORM OF YON MIGHTY CEASAR

THE DIVINE WISDOM ENCOMPASSES ALL. PAY HOMAGE, OR MAY THE GODS SHRIVEL THINE SCROTUM

Last time you role played Ceasars you were scum...

I think it's more likely that scum!Vecna decided he could wifom his way out of doing this because "why would scum!Vecna do the thing he's known for as scum" than that town!Vecna just randomly decided to roleplay Caesar again.

[damo666]

I feel like there's a pretty gigantic hole in the 'daykill celaph to figure out if there's a psycho' theory in that if the roleblocker is the alien rb role then damo is never going to get any more reports anyway, so we'd be better off keeping Celaph and possibly forcing the scum team to waste an NK on him to prevent a potential clear reaching the endgame

Damo what do you think of this? is HR talking about himself here?

Quite possibly

[brainbomb]

Jailkeeper
You are the JAILKEEPER. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may place another player in jail, by PM-ing your target to both GMs. If you can find your target, you will roleblock them and also protect them - the target will be prevented from taking any night actions of their own, and the target will also be protected from night killing actions. You cannot protect them from the Strongman. You may not jail yourself, nor may you jail the same person on consecutive nights. You win when all non-town Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
(ROLEBLOCKING / PROTECTIVE)

##Call GM

maybe youve covered this and im sorry if you have but is this a traditional jailing where the target learns they were jailed?

GM NOTE
The target would be notified, yes. Note however that if they were also protected from a killing action which would otherwise have killed them, they are not informed of this additional information.

##CALL GM

What form does the notification take, though? Is it just a notification that says they were RB'd or does it say that they were jailed?

just reiterating that HR would never ask this publicly as the jailor. THE ONLY scenario HR asks this publicly is to have it on file for a fake claim opportunity.

[kgray]

@Damo666 - which bit of your D1 statement is incorrect? Why is it incorrect did you lie or make a mistake?

For now ##unvote Celaph

@Macca - you were roleblocked on a night no one died. Okay

##voteMacca

Why didn't you question whether ghug being RB'd prevented a kill on N1?

[damo666]

I'm just a tad worried HR is jailer.

If we dk him and he is jailer it is akin to killing doc.

[kgray]

@Damo666 - which bit of your D1 statement is incorrect? Why is it incorrect did you lie or make a mistake?

For now ##unvote Celaph

@Macca - you were roleblocked on a night no one died. Okay

##voteMacca

Why didn't you question whether ghug being RB'd prevented a kill on N1?

K this was a stupid question, because someone did die N1. But I still think shading people who are RB'd is questionable, especially in this scenario where it seems pretty clear that HR is scum who targeted Macca for some reason.

[kgray]

Yeah, I was roleblocked.

Strange that he thinks it's a clear though. JOAT's dead, so he's either Jailer or Alien Prober (assuming Bunny's telling truth about discard; He did RB me, not someone else {which he just guessed}).

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

Real jailer should not CC here.

[kgray]

I made a mistake. I didn't account for psychotrooper.

Why you voting Macca? It is far more likely that being roleblocked and the lack of a kill are unrelated than the roleblock of a scum kill. Even if it were related it could RB of day vig. Your vote does not make sense.

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

Coming from the person who (presumably) correctly interpreted damo's claim last night, this looks really, really bad. How have you managed to forget this quickly? Did you choose to ignore it?

Oh, thank God. So Bob isn't just repeating what I say, he does actually have the same thoughts I do.

[Bonatogether]

Do minimum posting requirements stay the same if the day is shortened through a hammer?

[Bonatogether]

Do minimum posting requirements stay the same if the day is shortened through a hammer?

##callgm

[e.m.c^42]

They do not.

[Bonatogether]

They do not.

Ok

[brainbomb]

Ah dammit. Not a good outcome. On the bright side there may be a bit of information to glean from all the wagon switching going on.

If there’s a vig, it’s pro town to shoot bona here. We’ll get lots of info from it.

Not if there's a Mafia Doctor it isn't. Vig should not be shooting someone that the scum can troll-save

this is worth discussing. if HR really thinks bona was a threat why wouldnt he have jailed bona

[Bonatogether]

If there’s a vig, it’s pro town to shoot bona here. We’ll get lots of info from it.

Not if there's a Mafia Doctor it isn't. Vig should not be shooting someone that the scum can troll-save

this is worth discussing. if HR really thinks bona was a threat why wouldnt he have jailed bona

I was never jailed or roleblocked

[BunnyGo]

GM NOTE
The target would be notified, yes. Note however that if they were also protected from a killing action which would otherwise have killed them, they are not informed of this additional information.

##CALL GM

What form does the notification take, though? Is it just a notification that says they were RB'd or does it say that they were jailed?

just reiterating that HR would never ask this publicly as the jailor. THE ONLY scenario HR asks this publicly is to have it on file for a fake claim opportunity.

This is a good point. As jailor he’d save it for a big reveal as the only one who knows this.

[kgray]

Coming from the person who (presumably) correctly interpreted damo's claim last night, this looks really, really bad. How have you managed to forget this quickly? Did you choose to ignore it?

I haven’t forgotten anything. There are more than one investigative roles. Damo666 has made a statement that Celaph was NOT alien. And now says there is a Psychotrooper in play. I can see how he would be able to verify the second statement. My contention was that if Damo was telling the truth then Celaph must be Alien. Damo666 now says all he knows is Celaph isn’t the SK which leaves me scratching my head tbh.

There is a pretty easy explanation for this that I'm not gonna out, but keep scratching your head. You'll get it eventually. Yes, there are multiple investigative roles. There is only one way that last thing you said can be true.

I mean, he literally already talked about this here.