MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

PEOPLE

Every post is an attempt to extend the day a minute at a time.

Every minute is more time for him to try to weasel his way out of this shit.

Or you can wait so that They can clear me

Oh Macca...come out come out and plaaaayyyy.

[kgray]

PEOPLE

Every post is an attempt to extend the day a minute at a time.

Every minute is more time for him to try to weasel his way out of this shit.

Or you can wait so that They can clear me

You're combo fishing for more info and a miracle and over my fucking dead body will I give you either.

Yeah I agree with this. Sorry Rivera, this needs to stop. ##end

[Hellenic Riot]

Oh and of course the fact that the scum teams can kill each other at night makes no-killing even *more* superior to miskilling. Extra night actions are only going to be good for us in this game

[BunnyGo]

How can you believe this?

I'm willing to talk.

And there is technically a town way he could have been screwing around (with all the HERO vs TEAM horseshit I dislike about a lot of playstyles here--my own included in the games I think I do badly in). I think his push on you was a massive overreach. But if he and celaph are lovers...I mean, that's a reason to vote like that.

If he and celaph are masons, it'd explain what I've been getting off of celaph. Why he's online all the time and never posting.

What's the harm in letting him bloviate? Lord knows we've done it enough.

None of that explains claiming to have a confirmed guilty on me.

I mean...I strongly disagree with the playstyle, but there's that game I hear about all the time where Tom did exactly that. (am I remembering that right?) I think it's bad play, but I'm not going to kill a mechanically confirmed town for making a bad play.

[Jamiet99uk]

POLITE GM NOTICE

Just a gentle note not directed at any one person specifically about keeping the dialogue within reasonable bounds of calmness / aggression / personal bile.

Thank you all for continuing to enjoy the game.

[BunnyGo]

Oh and of course the fact that the scum teams can kill each other at night makes no-killing even *more* superior to miskilling. Extra night actions are only going to be good for us in this game

This is not correct.

[DemonRHK]

Teaching them a lesson was a very satisfying ulterior motive - But celaph was super townie during that EoD by going after me, and I still see no scum motivation whatsoever for why Ezio would lie about his discard (Speaking of - Come on guys, where's these theorised scum motivations for my play?!). Miskills are much worse than No-Kills in a setup like this.

If you are in ANY FUCKING ALTERNATE REALITY town, this constitutes an intentional game throw and runs counter to the rules of mafia.

What part of 'No Kills are better than Miskills' in a setup where town might lose its plurality as early as D4 is too hard for you to comprehend?

Intentionally tying for a publicly stated petty reason is what you stated.

'Teach a lesson'

[Donny Dude]

Oh and of course the fact that the scum teams can kill each other at night makes no-killing even *more* superior to miskilling. Extra night actions are only going to be good for us in this game

This does not make any sense where one scum team can kill the other side once.
We are here to get scum, but their wincon involves taking out town also.

[Hellenic Riot]

Oh and of course the fact that the scum teams can kill each other at night makes no-killing even *more* superior to miskilling. Extra night actions are only going to be good for us in this game

This is not correct.

What part of is it not correct?

Say there's a psycho - As I pointed out yesterday it ain't gonna take long for investigatives to work that out and be able to flip all their reads. We saw JUST LAST GAME how a bunch of reports literally won the entire game for us.

[Hellenic Riot]

If you are in ANY FUCKING ALTERNATE REALITY town, this constitutes an intentional game throw and runs counter to the rules of mafia.

What part of 'No Kills are better than Miskills' in a setup where town might lose its plurality as early as D4 is too hard for you to comprehend?

Intentionally tying for a publicly stated petty reason is what you stated.

'Teach a lesson'

Yes, you all deserved it for letting it be possible. But I did it because I townread celaph and Ezio.

[DemonRHK]

POLITE GM NOTICE

Just a gentle note not directed at any one person specifically about keeping the dialogue within reasonable bounds of calmness / aggression / personal bile.

Thank you all for continuing to enjoy the game.

This is me polite. But I'll try to keep it down.

A little.

[DemonRHK]

What part of 'No Kills are better than Miskills' in a setup where town might lose its plurality as early as D4 is too hard for you to comprehend?

Intentionally tying for a publicly stated petty reason is what you stated.

'Teach a lesson'

Yes, you all deserved it for letting it be possible. But I did it because I townread celaph and Ezio.

You're obviously not stating this from a town standing in this game.

[Hellenic Riot]

Oh and of course the fact that the scum teams can kill each other at night makes no-killing even *more* superior to miskilling. Extra night actions are only going to be good for us in this game

This does not make any sense where one scum team can kill the other side once.
We are here to get scum, but their wincon involves taking out town also.

Sure, the aliens probably ain't going to waste their only kill... But that also means they probably ain't going to waste it on town. Whereas the mafia, at worst, probably have 33% odds of shooting an alien and possibly even higher depending on their roles and the exact numbers. That is not bad odds at all - I'd be shocked if we get through this entire game without an alien being NK'd.

[Hellenic Riot]

Intentionally tying for a publicly stated petty reason is what you stated.

'Teach a lesson'

Yes, you all deserved it for letting it be possible. But I did it because I townread celaph and Ezio.

You're obviously not stating this from a town standing in this game.

"You all" includes all alignments actually, because mafia and aliens want there to be miskills here, so I think them allowing it to happen is just as trash

[BunnyGo]

Oh and of course the fact that the scum teams can kill each other at night makes no-killing even *more* superior to miskilling. Extra night actions are only going to be good for us in this game

This is not correct.

What part of is it not correct?

Say there's a psycho - As I pointed out yesterday it ain't gonna take long for investigatives to work that out and be able to flip all their reads. We saw JUST LAST GAME how a bunch of reports literally won the entire game for us.

I suppose it would have been an interesting thought experiment to advocate no-kill every day until we get some reads. But we:

a) Didn't know how many NKs we'd be facing. It's starting to seem like there's either no mafia team or no SK, which saves us lots of time.

b) It is unclear how many investigatives we have.

c) The SK is unscannable

d) I'm sure there's more, but last game the investigative won by POE, this time that can't happen. Eventually we need to solve.

[e.m.c^42]

I think brain might not be town lol

Seconding this as possibility; it wasn't as applicable in last game, but I believe there existed a correlation between brain randing scum and how much he talks about himself/self-deprecation.

His posts have more of a distance to them "im the type of player", "in mXX i was like", "when i was GM" and other suchlike posts. I don't have ability or time to dig up examples and stats, but town brain isn't as...needy, for lack of better word? He just says shit and sticks with it being truth.

Might be seeing tree and missing forest here though.

[kgray]

Oh and of course the fact that the scum teams can kill each other at night makes no-killing even *more* superior to miskilling. Extra night actions are only going to be good for us in this game

This does not make any sense where one scum team can kill the other side once.
We are here to get scum, but their wincon involves taking out town also.

Sure, the aliens probably ain't going to waste their only kill... But that also means they probably ain't going to waste it on town. Whereas the mafia, at worst, probably have 33% odds of shooting an alien and possibly even higher depending on their roles and the exact numbers. That is not bad odds at all - I'd be shocked if we get through this entire game without an alien being NK'd.

So we should keep you around so you can kill aliens at night? Is that what you're saying?

[Hellenic Riot]

This is not correct.

What part of is it not correct?

Say there's a psycho - As I pointed out yesterday it ain't gonna take long for investigatives to work that out and be able to flip all their reads. We saw JUST LAST GAME how a bunch of reports literally won the entire game for us.

I suppose it would have been an interesting thought experiment to advocate no-kill every day until we get some reads. But we:

a) Didn't know how many NKs we'd be facing. It's starting to seem like there's either no mafia team or no SK, which saves us lots of time.

b) It is unclear how many investigatives we have.

c) The SK is unscannable

d) I'm sure there's more, but last game the investigative won by POE, this time that can't happen. Eventually we need to solve.

The Serial Killer, if playing, is holstering their shots. Extra night actions doesn't help us find them but it does help us get more time for potential clears and there's literally no reason to be afraid of an SK until we're down to the last few players. They're so low a priority as to irrelevant

[BunnyGo]

What part of 'No Kills are better than Miskills' in a setup where town might lose its plurality as early as D4 is too hard for you to comprehend?

Intentionally tying for a publicly stated petty reason is what you stated.

'Teach a lesson'

Yes, you all deserved it for letting it be possible. But I did it because I townread celaph and Ezio.

@Hamilton: I confess that until this game I've regularly conflated you and Hellenic. The "H" names. The two letter acronyms as shortened version. The same choice in font in your posts. You get the idea.

I think this game will end that for me.

[Donny Dude]

Oh and of course the fact that the scum teams can kill each other at night makes no-killing even *more* superior to miskilling. Extra night actions are only going to be good for us in this game

This does not make any sense where one scum team can kill the other side once.
We are here to get scum, but their wincon involves taking out town also.

Sure, the aliens probably ain't going to waste their only kill... But that also means they probably ain't going to waste it on town. Whereas the mafia, at worst, probably have 33% odds of shooting an alien and possibly even higher depending on their roles and the exact numbers. That is not bad odds at all - I'd be shocked if we get through this entire game without an alien being NK'd.

That is an interesting number you pulled up with Hr, If hr is alien then this may be a good clue as to how big the team is.