MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

When he thought he was gonna die, he voted for the person who was scummy, not his counterwagon, and what he thought would be his last words were that town should sheep me after I'd been pressuring him constantly all day. He's town.

This

I sooner HR + Ezio scum team than HR + celaph

Yeah I think jasnah is town too. I didn't fully vibe with her EOD but the way she reacted to all of it at the beginning of the night was exactly the same as I felt.

[DemonRHK]

I'd say emc and everyone behind (Vecna, jas, cel, and HR) are at least someone sus. Jas is the most townie of the lot currently to me.

You're not living in reality if you would describe HR as only "some[what] sus"

Agreed, which is why I stated 'at least'

HR is guilty as sin. Cel pretty close to that. emc and Vecna tied a ways below that, then you farther down.

[jasnah]

My hit list: HR, Ezio

^ Shouldn't be allowed to live.

Don't really like these guys: Bunny go, emc

I like these people for now: kgray, celaph, Vecna

[kgray]

Is the consensus that Ezio voters look scummier than Celaph voters, because that's my initial gut take?

No, you're talking out of your ass and the original Ezio voter besides. Are you extraordinarily confused or just trying to stir up shit?

Hamilton very often as town asks for stuff like a general consensus and other people's takes on things to form his opinions. It can be confusing or seem like misdirection, but I'd bet this game on him being town.

[DemonRHK]

Is the consensus that Ezio voters look scummier than Celaph voters, because that's my initial gut take?

I'd say emc and everyone behind (Vecna, jas, cel, and HR) are at least someone sus. Jas is the most townie of the lot currently to me.

Do you only scumread celaph because of HR tying the vote?

No, cel was my top read prior to HR conveniently forgetting there are multiple scumteams and then blowing up when scumread for it.

[kgray]

My hit list: HR, Ezio

^ Shouldn't be allowed to live.

Don't really like these guys: Bunny go, emc

I like these people for now: kgray, celaph, Vecna

Can you elaborate on Bunny/emc/Vecna please?

[Hamilton Brian]

Do you only scumread celaph because of HR tying the vote?

Not sure if this was to Demon or myself; I'm back and forth with Celaph. I'm convince by Damo's own words, yet then Damo votes them. Your opinion also changed. I guess that's the difference between a surface read of VCA and a read of VCA as a piece in the greater context.

[kgray]

I'd say emc and everyone behind (Vecna, jas, cel, and HR) are at least someone sus. Jas is the most townie of the lot currently to me.

Do you only scumread celaph because of HR tying the vote?

No, cel was my top read prior to HR conveniently forgetting there are multiple scumteams and then blowing up when scumread for it.

Why? And did you not think celaph seemed towny at EOD?

[kgray]

Do you only scumread celaph because of HR tying the vote?

Not sure if this was to Demon or myself; I'm back and forth with Celaph. I'm convince by Damo's own words, yet then Damo votes them. Your opinion also changed. I guess that's the difference between a surface read of VCA and a read of VCA as a piece in the greater context.

Was asking Demon, but happy to have your thoughts too.

Damo voted celaph to confirm if there's a psychotrooper in play. And despite me supporting that, I think it was pretty misguided for everyone *except* damo, because presumably damo is the only person who can trust himself if he's town, and celaph's flip wouldn't confirm the existence of the psychotrooper to anyone but damo.

My opinion on celaph changed in the last ~10 minutes of EOD.

[jasnah]

Can you elaborate on Bunny/emc/Vecna please?

Well Bunny talks a lot but the substance/word count ratio is abysmal. I have yet to read like anything substantive from him every time I check in it's more procedural stuff, buddying or attempts to play mediator

I am led to believe by some people's posts can't remember whose that emc usually is of at least some use in reading for personality but his engagement with this game has been lacking. Somebody made I think a compelling post about this contrasting with his pre-game level of enthusiasm. In any case his contributions are minimal and if he's town we're not getting much out of it are we?

Vecna making Ezio again viable I liked, not sure there was any need to do it if they were a scum team, would have been a bold play if so considering I had just written that I was going 100% to switch to whatever Vecna voted. And I'm in fact aware that there are multiple scum teams, but I got a good vibe nonetheless

[BunnyGo]

I'd say emc and everyone behind (Vecna, jas, cel, and HR) are at least someone sus. Jas is the most townie of the lot currently to me.

Do you only scumread celaph because of HR tying the vote?

No, cel was my top read prior to HR conveniently forgetting there are multiple scumteams and then blowing up when scumread for it.

Can you point me to where he forgot that? I’m trying to figure out his mental state for the collapse. I wonder if we can backsolve some stuff from it.

[DemonRHK]

Do you only scumread celaph because of HR tying the vote?

No, cel was my top read prior to HR conveniently forgetting there are multiple scumteams and then blowing up when scumread for it.

Why? And did you not think celaph seemed towny at EOD?

Nope.

In what world do you say one of your preferred wagons is a soft-claiming cop with a town aligned scan on you?

[Hamilton Brian]

Damo voted celaph to confirm if there's a psychotrooper in play. And despite me supporting that, I think it was pretty misguided for everyone *except* damo, because presumably damo is the only person who can trust himself if he's town, and celaph's flip wouldn't confirm the existence of the psychotrooper to anyone but damo.

Makes it worse we didn't get anything substantiative from Day 2. From your newly-acquired opinion of Celaph, presuming Damo is true, then there "might" not be the psychotrooper?

Are you saying "misguided" because really only Damo had real cause to vote Celaph (for information purposes)? I think that's my takeaway.

[kgray]

No, cel was my top read prior to HR conveniently forgetting there are multiple scumteams and then blowing up when scumread for it.

Why? And did you not think celaph seemed towny at EOD?

Nope.

In what world do you say one of your preferred wagons is a soft-claiming cop with a town aligned scan on you?

Wait, what is this?

[DemonRHK]

Do you only scumread celaph because of HR tying the vote?

No, cel was my top read prior to HR conveniently forgetting there are multiple scumteams and then blowing up when scumread for it.

Can you point me to where he forgot that? I’m trying to figure out his mental state for the collapse. I wonder if we can backsolve some stuff from it.

I'm mostly talking about from the point HR hammered kgray after they joined on the wagon. HR is spouting secret info and knowing things like they're gonna stroll into the garden like McCarthy and yank a case out of a pumpkin.

[kgray]

Why? And did you not think celaph seemed towny at EOD?

Nope.

In what world do you say one of your preferred wagons is a soft-claiming cop with a town aligned scan on you?

Wait, what is this?

You mean damo?

[DemonRHK]

Why? And did you not think celaph seemed towny at EOD?

Nope.

In what world do you say one of your preferred wagons is a soft-claiming cop with a town aligned scan on you?

Wait, what is this?

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I've been writing and haven't actually read the thread since my last message. I just refreshed the votes and saw that a lot has changed. Figured it was better to send this now before I catch back up. I want to vote for someone out of Ezio, damo, Macca, Maniac, and emc. With those first two being more preferred than the rest.

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[Bonatogether]

Well I assume whoever lost the ability to vote would claim that at the beginning of the day, since they are notified.

I would still do it

Careful, bona. There's a point where your "too scummy to be scum" schtick is going to lose it's appeal.

This happened the last few games, but it'd be hilarious

[kgray]

Nope.

In what world do you say one of your preferred wagons is a soft-claiming cop with a town aligned scan on you?

Wait, what is this?

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I've been writing and haven't actually read the thread since my last message. I just refreshed the votes and saw that a lot has changed. Figured it was better to send this now before I catch back up. I want to vote for someone out of Ezio, damo, Macca, Maniac, and emc. With those first two being more preferred than the rest.

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Hmm. Okay, I'll think about this more.

[brainbomb]

Im having ppl over for super bowl. if i die its not because of my reads. but ill be killing HR tomorrow if alive.

i wont be on much at all today so gl folks :)