MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

I don't have any info you don't, but the tone shift felt awful to me. Now he's toned it back, but I still think he's scum.

How do you know I'm not on same scumteam as him?

Or I could have used a townpower on him.

Your statement is either a scumslip or very silly.

Usually I find it easiest to convince people by not accusing them as well

I'm not trying to convince you. I am merely pointing out your statement is palpable nonsense.

[Bonatogether]

How do you know I'm not on same scumteam as him?

Or I could have used a townpower on him.

Your statement is either a scumslip or very silly.

Usually I find it easiest to convince people by not accusing them as well

I'm not trying to convince you. I am merely pointing out your statement is palpable nonsense.

I'm trying to convince you, and I think celaph is scum because of his tone shift and lack of thought in his reads and posts that is not evident in his previous games.

[damo666]

Discard claims:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

I think we should vote from the Mafia goon claimants as being the most likely to hold interesting scum roles.

Let's start with ##vote Bona

Do you think bona is scummy? Not from mechanics, but the game.

Not particularly

[brainbomb]

What is your perspective about pineapple on pizza?

The people who hate it are strange because they never say the reason why pineapple pizza isnt good. Pineapple is very watery and makes pizza soggy, it does taste okay but its not really in very many toppin combos because its mostly just a gimmick with ham. that being said I love pineaple and a way to make it better would be to use a spicy pineapple chutney as the base instead of marinara sauce

...

You can be very insightful and clear when you want to be.

Oh and congratulations on the show/teaching gig.

Can you say as clearly as above your reasoning for voting bona now?

because bona has on three seperate occasions outted that kgray, demonrhk and myself are the masons. after showing quiet remorse he doubled back then decided to keep repeating it for no reason even as we tried to downplay it

[damo666]

Usually I find it easiest to convince people by not accusing them as well

I'm not trying to convince you. I am merely pointing out your statement is palpable nonsense.

I'm trying to convince you, and I think celaph is scum because of his tone shift and lack of thought in his reads and posts that is not evident in his previous games.

LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

celaph is NOT alien

the odds of him being mafia are quite low

I know this because I HAVE INFO YOU DO NOT

PS I am not an alien

I have now painted a target on myself for tonight. Thanks.

[Hamilton Brian]

What do you think about what happened n1 knowing there's no town doctor?

Okay this makes sense now about what he wanted to achieve with his claim earlier. Personally I'm about 50/50 on no SK vs SK withdrew kill. If SK withdrew kill then I assume they're not a noob because noobs wouldn't naturally think of this course of action.

Who here wouldn’t think of this?

I can’t name a single player who wouldn’t have the thought at least.

Sometimes all these multiquotes fuck with my head and comprehension.

So, to follow along:
Brainbomb: Ask me a question.
Ezio: What do you think about what happened n1 knowing there's no town doctor?
Bob: Something about an earlier claim making sense. 50;50 on no SK or SK withdrawal method. If SK withdraws, then probably not a noob.

@Bob, who's claim? What is the connection to SK and the lack of a doctor? What advantage does the SK have in withdrawing?

And all of this is assuming there is a SK? If not, just an exercise in futility (or at least running through the ideas IN CASE there's an SK)?

But then Bunny: Who wouldn't have thought this? Well, I don't think I would have. I'll go back and reread.

[Bonatogether]

I'm not trying to convince you. I am merely pointing out your statement is palpable nonsense.

I'm trying to convince you, and I think celaph is scum because of his tone shift and lack of thought in his reads and posts that is not evident in his previous games.

LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

celaph is NOT alien

the odds of him being mafia are quite low

I know this because I HAVE INFO YOU DO NOT

PS I am not an alien

I have now painted a target on myself for tonight. Thanks.

well fuck

[BunnyGo]

I think we should vote from the Mafia goon claimants as being the most likely to hold interesting scum roles.

Let's start with ##vote Bona

Why start with bona? What makes you vote him over ghug or celaph?

Firstly alphabet, secondly I townread ghug, thirdly celaph is not a good dk target. fourthly why did you omit brain?

Why is celaph a bad target?

Why soupy townread Ghug?

[BobMcBob]

Okay now I searched the bot and I'm confused. I'm just gonna let this issue rot on the sidelines. Don't like emc vote very much, ghug might be good though.

What are you referencing?

Searched the not for mason, page 138 is where it went down.

[BobMcBob]

BTW, bona is like 100% conf town now.

Mechanical? Or just more “my god scum would never do this” conf town?

The second one.

[BobMcBob]

Slow uptake but there's no sense deliberating who killed Bozo, right? We don't have enough information.

It was most likely mafia, but that info doesn't mean much. It almost certainly wasn't aliens.

[Hamilton Brian]

BTW, bona is like 100% conf town now.

Mechanical? Or just more “my god scum would never do this” conf town?

The second one.

Unless they got some good coaching during N1. I don't know. Where I was more leaning town on Bona, I'm more reserved now. Not sure I have a good feeling with Ezio dropping the 100% conftown either.

[BobMcBob]

What do you think about what happened n1 knowing there's no town doctor?

Okay this makes sense now about what he wanted to achieve with his claim earlier. Personally I'm about 50/50 on no SK vs SK withdrew kill. If SK withdrew kill then I assume they're not a noob because noobs wouldn't naturally think of this course of action.

Who here wouldn’t think of this?

I can’t name a single player who wouldn’t have the thought at least.

I question whether Macca or jasnah would've withheld the kill. Nobody else really falls into that category though, although a few people may have missed the fact that they had the option to.

[BunnyGo]

The people who hate it are strange because they never say the reason why pineapple pizza isnt good. Pineapple is very watery and makes pizza soggy, it does taste okay but its not really in very many toppin combos because its mostly just a gimmick with ham. that being said I love pineaple and a way to make it better would be to use a spicy pineapple chutney as the base instead of marinara sauce

...

You can be very insightful and clear when you want to be.

Oh and congratulations on the show/teaching gig.

Can you say as clearly as above your reasoning for voting bona now?

because bona has on three seperate occasions outted that kgray, demonrhk and myself are the masons. after showing quiet remorse he doubled back then decided to keep repeating it for no reason even as we tried to downplay it

Which profile of bona strikes you as more likely?

1) bona is an exuberant youth who has trouble assigning motivations to others, but enjoys trying to hunt and solve by following standard rules for it

2) is an alien who wants to out the masons as a threat

3) something else scummy

My own opinion is that I’ve yet to find that bona is helping town except by obv towning and generating content. But he’s most likely town. I’ve seen lots of well played and badly played scum games here, I think this would be the best I’ve seen; it relies on manipulating and anticipating our reads of him by several levels of “if they think then I think then they think...”

[BobMcBob]

Mechanical? Or just more “my god scum would never do this” conf town?

The second one.

Unless they got some good coaching during N1. I don't know. Where I was more leaning town on Bona, I'm more reserved now. Not sure I have a good feeling with Ezio dropping the 100% conftown either.

I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say 100% confirmed. However I still give them big town points for the outrageousness, boldness and obnoxiousness of their play, even if it wasn't productive for town.

[BunnyGo]

I'm not trying to convince you. I am merely pointing out your statement is palpable nonsense.

I'm trying to convince you, and I think celaph is scum because of his tone shift and lack of thought in his reads and posts that is not evident in his previous games.

LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

celaph is NOT alien

the odds of him being mafia are quite low

I know this because I HAVE INFO YOU DO NOT

PS I am not an alien

I have now painted a target on myself for tonight. Thanks.

Jesus. It was clear.

And your reports may be faulty but we knew that already. In fact this makes me want to kill celaph even more:

1) he still seems scummy; not mech, but posts
2) we learn if investigators have to flip their scans

[Hamilton Brian]

I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say 100% confirmed. However I still give them big town points for the outrageousness, boldness and obnoxiousness of their play, even if it wasn't productive for town.

You and Bunny happen to be two of my stronger townreads so I'll defer to that read for the time being.

[BobMcBob]

I'm not trying to convince you. I am merely pointing out your statement is palpable nonsense.

I'm trying to convince you, and I think celaph is scum because of his tone shift and lack of thought in his reads and posts that is not evident in his previous games.

LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

celaph is NOT alien

the odds of him being mafia are quite low

I know this because I HAVE INFO YOU DO NOT

PS I am not an alien

I have now painted a target on myself for tonight. Thanks.

Another one? Seriously? Bona, please shut up already.

[kgray]

I'm trying to convince you, and I think celaph is scum because of his tone shift and lack of thought in his reads and posts that is not evident in his previous games.

LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

celaph is NOT alien

the odds of him being mafia are quite low

I know this because I HAVE INFO YOU DO NOT

PS I am not an alien

I have now painted a target on myself for tonight. Thanks.

Jesus. It was clear.

And your reports may be faulty but we knew that already. In fact this makes me want to kill celaph even more:

1) he still seems scummy; not mech, but posts
2) we learn if investigators have to flip their scans

I agree with this and fully support a celaph wagon.

But ghug also scummy af.

[Bonatogether]

I'm trying to convince you, and I think celaph is scum because of his tone shift and lack of thought in his reads and posts that is not evident in his previous games.

LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

celaph is NOT alien

the odds of him being mafia are quite low

I know this because I HAVE INFO YOU DO NOT

PS I am not an alien

I have now painted a target on myself for tonight. Thanks.

Another one? Seriously? Bona, please shut up already.

I kinda got that