MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

I dont see much need to wish town luck, we control our own destiny if we actually have a system that isnt just chaotic noise

[brainbomb]

if all we got is luck then I dont think anyone can claim to be any good at this

[Bonatogether]

Why are we voting Macca? I agree that their play looks like scum, but they've been inactive and them getting voted off tells us much less than someone else.

You agree their play looks scummy and he has 21 posts.
I don't think that is inactive.
Why the concern about the activity?

The amount of posts isn't the issue, but rather that they make no claims that we can then use as follow up clues, aside from perhaps the whole damo business, but that only tells us about one person.

[BunnyGo]

Why are we voting Macca? I agree that their play looks like scum, but they've been inactive and them getting voted off tells us much less than someone else.

You agree their play looks scummy and he has 21 posts.
I don't think that is inactive.
Why the concern about the activity?

The amount of posts isn't the issue, but rather that they make no claims that we can then use as follow up clues, aside from perhaps the whole damo business, but that only tells us about one person.

Ah...so when we suspect someone we should let them live so they can lead us to others? Like cockroaches?

[lfischl]

Psh Turkey's great!

It’s good until you get it every single game and when you don’t get it you get Austria.

This is a fascinating discussion, but would you care to join the game we're currently playing?

Do you have any townreads?

Im leaning town on you and donny, and I'm not sure that ghug is scum to be honest, and I may switch my vote sometime tommorow morning before EOD.

[lfischl]

It’s good until you get it every single game and when you don’t get it you get Austria.

This is a fascinating discussion, but would you care to join the game we're currently playing?

Do you have any townreads?

Im leaning town on you and donny, and I'm not sure that ghug is scum to be honest, and I may switch my vote sometime tommorow morning before EOD.

Brain is also looking towny to me.

[BunnyGo]

This is a fascinating discussion, but would you care to join the game we're currently playing?

Do you have any townreads?

Im leaning town on you and donny, and I'm not sure that ghug is scum to be honest, and I may switch my vote sometime tommorow morning before EOD.

Brain is also looking towny to me.

So to summarize: your stated townleans are the three people who recently decided to push Macca.

And you no longer feel strongly about your vote on ghug.

And nobody else comes to mind.

And you are tired of playing Turkey and Austria and secretly suspect the RNG that the site uses is biased.

[Bonatogether]

You agree their play looks scummy and he has 21 posts.
I don't think that is inactive.
Why the concern about the activity?

The amount of posts isn't the issue, but rather that they make no claims that we can then use as follow up clues, aside from perhaps the whole damo business, but that only tells us about one person.

Ah...so when we suspect someone we should let them live so they can lead us to others? Like cockroaches?

Kind of. Macca hasn't established solid relationships with a lot of people, so we only get a small amount of information about most people. Obviously, at some point we need to kill lurkers, but when we don't know anything we wanna find the roach nest first.

[ghug]

It’s good until you get it every single game and when you don’t get it you get Austria.

This is a fascinating discussion, but would you care to join the game we're currently playing?

Do you have any townreads?

Im leaning town on you and donny, and I'm not sure that ghug is scum to be honest, and I may switch my vote sometime tommorow morning before EOD.

You're not sure I'm scum, but you still suspect it? Why do you suspect me?

[BunnyGo]

The amount of posts isn't the issue, but rather that they make no claims that we can then use as follow up clues, aside from perhaps the whole damo business, but that only tells us about one person.

Ah...so when we suspect someone we should let them live so they can lead us to others? Like cockroaches?

Kind of. Macca hasn't established solid relationships with a lot of people, so we only get a small amount of information about most people. Obviously, at some point we need to kill lurkers, but when we don't know anything we wanna find the roach nest first.

And do you think that anything they do from here on out will be revelatory if they are indeed scum?

[Bonatogether]

Ah...so when we suspect someone we should let them live so they can lead us to others? Like cockroaches?

Kind of. Macca hasn't established solid relationships with a lot of people, so we only get a small amount of information about most people. Obviously, at some point we need to kill lurkers, but when we don't know anything we wanna find the roach nest first.

And do you think that anything they do from here on out will be revelatory if they are indeed scum?

Because either they lurk and we policy kill them for no info (which is essentially giving up) or they talk and develop relationships, whereby we can figure out who is likely/unlikely to be scum or if they're actually town with a crappy d1.

[BunnyGo]

Kind of. Macca hasn't established solid relationships with a lot of people, so we only get a small amount of information about most people. Obviously, at some point we need to kill lurkers, but when we don't know anything we wanna find the roach nest first.

And do you think that anything they do from here on out will be revelatory if they are indeed scum?

Because either they lurk and we policy kill them for no info (which is essentially giving up) or they talk and develop relationships, whereby we can figure out who is likely/unlikely to be scum or if they're actually town with a crappy d1.

And do you think reading how others interacted with the dead is important?

How far would you take this: would you rather kill an active town with lots of interactions than a lurking scum?

[brainbomb]

bona what are the most useful roles for town

[Bonatogether]

And do you think that anything they do from here on out will be revelatory if they are indeed scum?

Because either they lurk and we policy kill them for no info (which is essentially giving up) or they talk and develop relationships, whereby we can figure out who is likely/unlikely to be scum or if they're actually town with a crappy d1.

And do you think reading how others interacted with the dead is important?

How far would you take this: would you rather kill an active town with lots of interactions than a lurking scum?

1) Yeah, of course. This is basic strategy.

2) I'm ignoring the bit about alignments since we obviously won't know alignments ahead of time short of PRs. If it was early game (say, <d3), probably the active person, since it gives us more info, but after that probably the lurker, since they're an active hinderance at that point.

[Bonatogether]

bona what are the most useful roles for town

Cop, Conspiracy Theorist, Jailor, Mason, Vigilante, Clairvoyant, although I haven't done a full readthrough of the roles yet.

[kgray]

It’s good until you get it every single game and when you don’t get it you get Austria.

This is a fascinating discussion, but would you care to join the game we're currently playing?

Do you have any townreads?

Im leaning town on you and donny, and I'm not sure that ghug is scum to be honest, and I may switch my vote sometime tommorow morning before EOD.

Did you vote for ghug for any reason besides thinking Vecna had a guilty scan on him?

[brainbomb]

bona what are the most useful roles for town

Cop, Conspiracy Theorist, Jailor, Mason, Vigilante, Clairvoyant, although I haven't done a full readthrough of the roles yet.

and What if my role is on that list? am I still worth just sacrificing for vca

[Bonatogether]

bona what are the most useful roles for town

Cop, Conspiracy Theorist, Jailor, Mason, Vigilante, Clairvoyant, although I haven't done a full readthrough of the roles yet.

and What if my role is on that list? am I still worth just sacrificing for vca

it'd hurt, but I'd still be more in favor of it than a Macca, lfischl, or Ezio wagon

[kgray]

I totally disagree that Macca should get a pass just because they don't have lots of connections and therefore aren't a good "info flip" (I hate info flips in general), but based on their previous games I think it will become more clear later on if they're scum. Bunny did make some good points about their meta. Not a bad wagon, but I'm not ready to push it.

I still feel like ghug is off, but I don't really want him to die yet and I very much dislike the other votes on his wagon.

I'm concerned by lfischl's unexplained scumread of ghug because it seems like he just jumped on ghug's wagon when Vecna gave him an excuse. Originally I was thinking that unless ghug is his teammate, if lfischl were scum he wouldn't believe Vecna's guilty claim and therefore wouldn't jump on so quickly. But, the multiple factions sort of negate that thinking. It feels in general like he's struggling to come up with believable reads, and since he's not a new player, I expect town!lfischl to at least be able to explain his vote.

##vote lfischl

[brainbomb]

Cop, Conspiracy Theorist, Jailor, Mason, Vigilante, Clairvoyant, although I haven't done a full readthrough of the roles yet.

and What if my role is on that list? am I still worth just sacrificing for vca

it'd hurt, but I'd still be more in favor of it than a Macca, lfischl, or Ezio wagon

this kind of explains why town never wins here