MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

You guys need more interactions today so you can figure it out tonight or tomorrow

[Bonatogether]

ACTUAL N1 MAFIA QT FOOTAGE:

How did you get this footage if you're town?

[aarodactyl]

ACTUAL N1 MAFIA QT FOOTAGE:

aaro: Ah shit Demon is sussing us celaph.
celaph: Oh no we are so screwed.
brainbomb: Don't worry, ghug and I are driving the thread, nothing can go wrong.
[WORRYING INTENSIFIES]
ghug: Demon is an old player who is good too.
celaph: Should we shoot Demon?
aaro: No way it's too obvious.
brainbomb: Wait I think Demon might be Cop.
ghug: Well now we have to shoot before we get scanned.
brainbomb: ghug you are literally a Roleblocker.
ghug: Oh yea true. Let's kill Demon anyway.
brainbomb: K. Brian?
Brian: Dude I just ate like 20 pounds of shrooms lol I'm so joked just vote without me brah New Years too litty
[blank stares]
ghug: ##KILL DemonRHK
brainbomb: ##KILL DemonRHK
aaro: Are you sure about this? It's pretty on the nose.
celaph: I'm sure they have a brilliant plan for D2 don't worry.
aaro: Okay... ##KILL DemonRHK
celaph: ##KILL DemonRHK
Brian: Dude weed lmao. ##SMOKE WEED
Tom: Night has ended please hold

I kind of wish I were on the scum team if this is how much fun they're having.

Did demon really scum read me D1? I honestly don't remember that

[aarodactyl]

Really I just want Cop to claim with a guilty so I can stop quintuple guessing myself on half the players in this game

Who do you think the cop is? Asking for a friend

[aarodactyl]

Really I just want Cop to claim with a guilty so I can stop quintuple guessing myself on half the players in this game

Who do you think the cop is? Asking for a friend

I'm just kidding by the way. Let's not help narrow down who the cop is.

[Fluminator]

I knew the cop wasn't Bunny.
After last game, and now this, I sense a meta shift coming in webdip mafia.

[celaph]

The biggest issue I see with your post there worcej is that your post "which makes you think Bona is town more than anything else"... Is a vote that was instantly followed by Hamilton Brian, a member of the scum. Oh, and also that you think the RB'er is more important than the GF, which is... Not true.

You seem to be making assertions about what the scum would do that do not fit with the confirmed reality that we have thanks to who we already flipped. Essentially it boils down to you thinking Bona wouldn't do anything at all as scum when the only two other wagons are also scum, which seems pretty unlikely - But I've already pointed out that he made the absolute bare minimum of effort to actually save himself.

As for your final conclusion: You overlook the fact that HB *could* have tied the vote at the end by voting Bona. He did not. He let ghug die. Which if the brain vote was already an attempt to tie seems really bizarre. If not, it suggests that the scum had realised one of them would die and that letting ghug die might be the best way to make Bona/Brain look good (backfired hugely in Brain's case, but it did get pressure off Bona for quite a while).

As for the final conclusion... I don't really see that either. Maybe you're right and the last scum was voting Bona, but even if you are I don't see how you can rule PE out from that. And as neither celaph nor emc (nor Donny, but I have other reasons to townread him) were on relevant wagons, I don't see how they can be either. But when we know that there was bussing going on (reluctant or not, HB/Brain/ghug repeatedly voted each other at various times) then I'm not sure how we can rule out that more bussing went on at the end.

Regarding your third paragraph: I agree that HB technically could have tied the vote by voting Bona. That said, I don't think it's safe to assume that HB knew that or had the time. Vecna's vote came at :59:54, 6 seconds before the deadline and only 15 seconds before Tom's deadline message. If HB isn't actively refreshing the page his opportunity is gone. Additionally, by voting twice in the last 20 seconds to tie it, he basically out both ghug and HB. Not worth it at that point.

Regarding your last paragraph: You can agree or disagree with Worcej's logic, but I don't think his conclusions implicate off wagon people in general. Scum EMC or scum Donny could have pushed the Bona wagon, thus not necessitating the need for the brain wagon. I could not have simply because I wasn't active that EoD.

That said, @worcej, I think your conclusions ignore the possibility that a scum put ghug as worse than bona earlier in the day to distance and then realized that they couldn't vote Bona that without looking really scummy.

[celaph]

ACTUAL N1 MAFIA QT FOOTAGE:

aaro: Ah shit Demon is sussing us celaph.
celaph: Oh no we are so screwed.
brainbomb: Don't worry, ghug and I are driving the thread, nothing can go wrong.
[WORRYING INTENSIFIES]
ghug: Demon is an old player who is good too.
celaph: Should we shoot Demon?
aaro: No way it's too obvious.
brainbomb: Wait I think Demon might be Cop.
ghug: Well now we have to shoot before we get scanned.
brainbomb: ghug you are literally a Roleblocker.
ghug: Oh yea true. Let's kill Demon anyway.
brainbomb: K. Brian?
Brian: Dude I just ate like 20 pounds of shrooms lol I'm so joked just vote without me brah New Years too litty
[blank stares]
ghug: ##KILL DemonRHK
brainbomb: ##KILL DemonRHK
aaro: Are you sure about this? It's pretty on the nose.
celaph: I'm sure they have a brilliant plan for D2 don't worry.
aaro: Okay... ##KILL DemonRHK
celaph: ##KILL DemonRHK
Brian: Dude weed lmao. ##SMOKE WEED
Tom: Night has ended please hold

I kind of wish I were on the scum team if this is how much fun they're having.

Did demon really scum read me D1? I honestly don't remember that

Demon didn't like our interaction regarding Vecna and voted me for it. It came up briefly D2 after Demon died, but NK analysis is just garbage and so everyone dropped it.

@PE, the no +1 rule is costing you this game.

[celaph]

I knew the cop wasn't Bunny.
After last game, and now this, I sense a meta shift coming in webdip mafia.

I'm curious, what was the meta like before these last two games?

[Bonatogether]

I knew the cop wasn't Bunny.
After last game, and now this, I sense a meta shift coming in webdip mafia.

I'm curious, what was the meta like before these last two games?

^^^^

[aarodactyl]

I knew the cop wasn't Bunny.
After last game, and now this, I sense a meta shift coming in webdip mafia.

I'm curious, what was the meta like before these last two games?

Every game before M62 was staged just to make it feel like you were joining an active community when in fact, it was all a plan to trick you.

[Fluminator]

Before it was very rare for a VT to lie about being a PR. It was considered very anti-town and a risk to outing PRs. And if you were found out lying, you would almost always get daykilled.
To hide the power roles it was basically "never talk about it" instead of "half the players pretend to be it"

[Fluminator]

I knew the cop wasn't Bunny.
After last game, and now this, I sense a meta shift coming in webdip mafia.

I'm curious, what was the meta like before these last two games?

Every game before M62 was staged just to make it feel like you were joining an active community when in fact, it was all a plan to trick you.

And this ^
You both are being tested to see if you fit the job position we're looking for.

[aarodactyl]

I'm curious, what was the meta like before these last two games?

Every game before M62 was staged just to make it feel like you were joining an active community when in fact, it was all a plan to trick you.

And this ^
You both are being tested to see if you fit the job position we're looking for.

I was thinking it was more like a Truman Show thing, but I guess you'd know better.

[Fluminator]

Fluminator - town
Bonatogether - town
aarodactyl - town
Jamiet - town
Chaqa - town
HR - townish vibes
PR - townish vibes
EMC - townish vibes
Worcej - townish vibes (weakest town read)

I think our pool should be out of these. I don't know how to read any of these people yet, but Bozo's VCA seems the sketchiest at a glance.
Damo
Donny Dude
Bozo
Celaph

[Donny Dude]

I'm curious, what was the meta like before these last two games?

Every game before M62 was staged just to make it feel like you were joining an active community when in fact, it was all a plan to trick you.

And this ^
You both are being tested to see if you fit the job position we're looking for.

Be sure to answer the secret survey, k. Otherwise Walter will show up.

[Donny Dude]

Fluminator - town
Bonatogether - town
aarodactyl - town
Jamiet - town
Chaqa - town
HR - townish vibes
PR - townish vibes
EMC - townish vibes
Worcej - townish vibes (weakest town read)

I think our pool should be out of these. I don't know how to read any of these people yet, but Bozo's VCA seems the sketchiest at a glance.
Damo
Donny Dude
Bozo
Celaph

Flum, your stateent concerms me, is it you believe this group hard to read and therefore scum or just hard to get a read on in this game?

[Donny Dude]

Fluminator - town
Bonatogether - town
aarodactyl - town
Jamiet - town
Chaqa - town
HR - townish vibes
PR - townish vibes
EMC - townish vibes
Worcej - townish vibes (weakest town read)

I think our pool should be out of these. I don't know how to read any of these people yet, but Bozo's VCA seems the sketchiest at a glance.
Damo
Donny Dude
Bozo
Celaph

Flum, your statement concerns me, is it you believe this group hard to read and therefore scum or just hard to get a read on in this game?

[President Eden]

Before it was very rare for a VT to lie about being a PR. It was considered very anti-town and a risk to outing PRs. And if you were found out lying, you would almost always get daykilled.
To hide the power roles it was basically "never talk about it" instead of "half the players pretend to be it"

I think Hellenic Riot was correct earlier in his assessment that pretending to be the PR is generally wrong.
The gambits in M62 were interesting to me because they were "too audacious to be mafia" -- not objectively, but in the context of what people expected from mafia that game.
We don't know yet whether these have been good, but informational roles are a bit tougher because the mafia can falsify some claims (e.g. if you clear a mafia or guilty a town). I tend to think the gambits here have worked to keep mafia from killing the real Cop, but it's hard to know with the info we have right now.

[President Eden]

Anyway I've decided that I need to claim maximum clout if my read of the N1 Mafia QT is actually correct, so I'm going to sheep damo's guilty on celaph and then vote aaro out D6 and win.

##VOTE celaph