M62: PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF REVOLUTIONARY MAFIA GAME THREAD!

[Chaqa]

For me, I'd like to flip Bona, and if he is innocent, then start figuring out who the busser is. If we flip Maniac, I get it, but I've thought he was innoecent ever since the Teacon flip.

No you didn't, you scumread Maniac all of D2 lol

Ah, fair enough. I misremembered:
viewtopic.php?p=195153#p195153

I wanted to flip Maniac for Day 1 info.

It's a fairly mechanics-lite game so far, not surprised Bozo is off on his own thing.

With the assumption that Bunny and Jamie are scum (which seems 99.9%), I think Maniac looks town. Not sure about who looks scummy from the new information yet. I'm actually kinda surprised my hanging vote theory on Jamie was right.

It's a fairly mechanics-lite game so far, not surprised Bozo is off on his own thing.

With the assumption that Bunny and Jamie are scum (which seems 99.9%), I think Maniac looks town. Not sure about who looks scummy from the new information yet. I'm actually kinda surprised my hanging vote theory on Jamie was right.

Why do you think Maniac looks town based on Bunny and Jamie being scum?

It Maniac AND teacon were scum day 1 I think we’d have had a more concerted effort to push ND.

Looks like I didn't reach that conclusion until later.

[Chaqa]

I legitimately townread everyone to some degree at this point, so whoever it is has done a good job.

You could be right about them all being town

Spicy.

[Maniac]

@Maniac, who do you think the last scum is?

Chaqa - He has explained why he thinks I'm town (and obviously he is right) he says D1 doesn't make sense if I'm scum (again he is right) but today he has said:

"I think Maniac is likely innocent." and "I don't want to vote for him {maniac],"

It's as if my super scummy behaviour at EOD 5 never happened. This strikes me as scum who wants to buddy a town player and ignores the changing game infomation.

That said, I think all town should find a mechanism for deciding who the next four kills are and execute in that order. We aren't going to get any more info i don't think, so lets use the 11/1 advantage and as a team plot our course of action. It doesn't give scum any advantage as far as I can see. Crucially it will then allow the town players not on the kill list to prepare for the possibility they will be present during the end game and do some good re-reading.

[Chaqa]

@Maniac, who do you think the last scum is?

Chaqa - He has explained why he thinks I'm town (and obviously he is right) he says D1 doesn't make sense if I'm scum (again he is right) but today he has said:

"I think Maniac is likely innocent." and "I don't want to vote for him {maniac],"

It's as if my super scummy behaviour at EOD 5 never happened. This strikes me as scum who wants to buddy a town player and ignores the changing game infomation.

That said, I think all town should find a mechanism for deciding who the next four kills are and execute in that order. We aren't going to get any more info i don't think, so lets use the 11/1 advantage and as a team plot our course of action. It doesn't give scum any advantage as far as I can see. Crucially it will then allow the town players not on the kill list to prepare for the possibility they will be present during the end game and do some good re-reading.

If assuming that the last scum is in the celaph voters, it has to be either Maniac, Bona, HR, or Balki.

For me, I'd like to flip Bona, and if he is innocent, then start figuring out who the busser is. If we flip Maniac, I get it, but I've thought he was innoecent ever since the Teacon flip.

I'm not discounting you as scum. I just happen to think it's Bona. If i'm wrong, you're my next pick, despite my read.

I think your top 4 idea is dangerous as it could let scum have a clear path to winning by strategic kills.

[Maniac]

@Chaqa - you have gone from saying i'm likely innocent to being your second scumread in the space of half and hour. Very odd.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa - you have gone from saying i'm likely innocent to being your second scumread in the space of half and hour. Very odd.

:shrug:

[Fluminator]

I've said before Maniac is good at scum, but I do feel like Bona is more likely to flip scum right now.

[Chaqa]

@kgray

Why do you think damo's vote for Maniac 3 minutes out from EoD1 when Maniac's wagon was dead and there was zero prospect whatsoever of him actually getting flipped makes Maniac look good?

If Maniac AND teacon were scum, wouldn't they have made more of an effort to ensure the ND DK?

Did they need to? Why go out of your way to protect your partner if you can get away with not doing it and thus maintain great distance?

Teacon himself blatantly wasn't around at EoD (his last post was 2.5 hours earlier), at which point he wasn't even a particularly likely wagon. Maniac was also absent with his last post 3 hours prior to EoD. Bunny was bussing. Jamie *did* vote ND over the other wagons. And Damo was on Durga throughout until that last second vote for Maniac's dead wagon.

@Maniac - this post specifically made me begin doubting myself.

Everyone else seems to think it's you. Maybe I'm just being dense

[Fluminator]

As funny as it would be to kill HR today, I don't think we should

[bozotheclown]

I do think Maniac's jump on celaph yesterday was sort of opportunistic. His reason was for celaph's D1 vote, and it didn't hold up when you looked at what the wagons were at time. But he moved to damo when I pointed out that damo is the one who'd actually done what he was scumreading celaph for. Maybe he'd just given up, but I'd expect damo's partner to have found a "better" reason to scumread celaph that didn't lead him into voting his teammate after just one question.

Maniac has been scum reading damo since D1 and he gave a town read of celaph at different times, he did not have any business voting for celaph D5 when he first voted for him or at EOD.

[bozotheclown]

Scum pool (In alphabetical order)
Aarodactyl – Page 48 T-28hrs you said “ Also I already don’t really like ND but I also don’t like the push to vote them out already, since it could be scum trying to start a bandwagon (or whatever term you use here for that).”
Then he doesn’t appear to mention ND at all until on page 97 T-01.39 he says “##vote ND - My reason behind this is that the initial fighting seemed like a way to clog up discussion. And everything after that has seemed like a way to get attention off themselves. Also I’d be lying if I didn’t say that their posts have also been too abrasive for me, so I won’t be too sad if I’m wrong with the read.”
This took ND to 3 votes. At this point teacon wasn’t really a wagon, that gained traction 30mins later, but scum!aatodactyl could have been motivated to go for an easy daykill. Many people myself included had indicted that ND would be a good daykill for a variety of reasons including that he came across as aggressive. Aarodactyl’s change of heart from not wanting to vote for ND because of his playing style, to voting for him because of his playing style looks scummy to me.

Chaqa – Chaqa lurked quite a lot D1 and complained about the number of pages. He got a town vibe from Bunny and voted Teacon7 to sheep Bunny with 4 minutes to go. That vote put Teacon in the lead. This could be a bus of course, but Chaqa hadn’t left himself anywhere to go so must have been fully committed to bussing Teacon D1 or was confident that Teacon would be saved and he could gain town cred later if Teacon flipped. I had thought that it was more likely Chaqa was bussing and was confident others would save him, but because Chaqa claims not to have read much of the thread (and I believe him) could he have been confident that either ND or me would get daykilled instead? I don’t think so, so Chaqa is now in my Town Pool.

Damo – I still don’t like his comment “Jamie is usually easy to read, will prob obvtown soon enough” as it implies knowledge of Jamie’s alignment.
I really don’t like his EOD1 voting. Him voting for me 3minutes out for zero reason is bad enough, but then not to choose between 2 main wagons in final seconds just lets scum manipulate the game.

EMC2 – I just don’t see him doing anything to solve the game. Coasting, he is better than this as town.

Jamie – town if Damo is scum. Jamie is quite a soft scum read, but still in this pool. I feel that there was scum in the Aarodactyl/Jamie/Brainbomb section of the ND push/Teacon save. Obv Brainbomb has since flipped Town.

Vashta – possibly deep threat. I don’t remember a single post of Vashta and I recall him regaling us with his stories and flavor. I miss that Vashta and he’ll stay a scum read until we get him back.

WorceJ – he was on my scum pool list for a reason, and now I can’t remember why. Don’t laugh, these senior moments will come to you all.

Null Pool (In alphabetical order)
Bonatogether
Bozo
Nephthys
Vecna
Yoyo
Town Pool (in alphabetical order)
Balki
BunnyGo
Celaph
Durga
Flum
Ghug
Hellenic Riot
Kgray
Maniac – as Handsome as ever.

What has changed since N2 that made you want to DK celaph over damo D5?

[Maniac]

Bozo both Celaph and Damo scored high on my later analysis of the reads they gave in response to your survey. I would’ve happy with either D5. My switch to celaph in last few minutes was to sheep Tom, who then quickly shifted to Damo.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Bozo both Celaph and Damo scored high on my later analysis of the reads they gave in response to your survey. I would’ve happy with either D5. My switch to celaph in last few minutes was to sheep Tom, who then quickly shifted to Damo.

Well that doesn’t sound true. Quite a lot of time passed between Tom’s Celaph vote and yours. In the meantime, you were asked to switch as well and you said things like “as tempting as that is, nah I’m fine here” (when it was Damo 7 - celaph 5). Then when Damo voted Celaph to make it 7-6, you switched your vote to put Celaph ahead.

Why did you decide to sheep Tom at that moment you did? And if that was your reason, why not continue to sheep Tom when he switched back to Damo?

[Tom Bombadil]

*Town treasure*

[Chaqa]

##Vote bona

[dargorygel]

Votigulus Countibabulus: A rare creature of GMian origins. Usually seen sporadically in webDiplomacy Mafia Forum games. Usually traceable to information gleaned from a) actually reading the gamethread, and b) confirming with the Peterbot.

Observe:
Maniac (4): Balky, celaphy, HRy, bozoy
Hellenic Riot (3): aarodactiliusian, kagey gray, googles
Bonatogether (2): flahmeenator, Tchaqa
aarodactyl (1): Craziac
celaph (1): Bona-apart

Not Taking part, voting-wise: Goldberry’s Husbandman.

Upon analysis, Maniac is presently about to be extinct.
20 hours and 39 Minutes Remain in this day.

[Bonatogether]

##vote Maniac

[aarodactyl]

Bozo both Celaph and Damo scored high on my later analysis of the reads they gave in response to your survey. I would’ve happy with either D5. My switch to celaph in last few minutes was to sheep Tom, who then quickly shifted to Damo.

I scored higher than celaph. I also think that your analysis of the aggregate list wasn't very good.

[Maniac]

Bozo both Celaph and Damo scored high on my later analysis of the reads they gave in response to your survey. I would’ve happy with either D5. My switch to celaph in last few minutes was to sheep Tom, who then quickly shifted to Damo.

Well that doesn’t sound true. Quite a lot of time passed between Tom’s Celaph vote and yours. In the meantime, you were asked to switch as well and you said things like “as tempting as that is, nah I’m fine here” (when it was Damo 7 - celaph 5). Then when Damo voted Celaph to make it 7-6, you switched your vote to put Celaph ahead.

Why did you decide to sheep Tom at that moment you did? And if that was your reason, why not continue to sheep Tom when he switched back to Damo?

There was a period of time between Tom’s Celaph vote and mine. My comment about not wanting to switch may or may not have been true. Town don’t always want to give info away. As I said previously I would’ve been happy with either daykill. Sheep going Tom and leaving that to last minute made sense to me. If scum thought they had a town!Damo mis-kill in the bag with say one scum in each wagon, my late switch would put pressure on them to save scum!celaph. Now as it turns out Damo was scum but I couldn’t have known that at the time. Then things happened quickly with Tom and Ghug switching and I didn’t react.

That said I’ve acknowledged that my D5 EOD looks super scummy. So much so I had to re-read my role PM to check I wasn’t scum.

I don’t now scum read Celaph based on his late reads list EOD 5.

I’m not stupid. I know I’m going to be one of the next four day kills. If that’s today and it give town some info, so be it.

[dargorygel]

A more serious Vote Count
<insert majestic music here>

MANIAC (5): Balki, celaph, HR, bozo, Bona
HELLENIC RIOT (3): aaro, kagey ray, ghug
BONATOGETHER (2) Flum, Chaqa
aarodactyl (1): Maniac

Not yet voted (Eden is sharpening his ModKillSword)
Tom Bombadil

At present, Maniac is set to be expulsed.

Around 7 hours and 19 minutes remain in this day.