MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[snowy801]

whatever strategy I had at the start of the game had been blown into the oblivion of nonparticipation

[RagingIke297]

I've been reading the God QT from M32, there's some good insight in there. I think we're over complicating this game. Town is 0/4, PR's are 2/2, we have a good pool of players left, at least one or two of you (including myself) should be able to put this together.

I feel like for the level of participation that Thamrick has put into other games I have played with him, he is relatively lack luster this game. He seems like he's hopping on wagons to make them viable, but not really pushing them and allowing them to run their course.

DrCJG did almost the exact opposite, on D1 & D2 he started every wagon he got on. Then D3 & D4 looks like Thamrick he hopped on established wagons. The difference is that Thamrick has been on D2, D3, and D4 lynches and DrCJG was only on the D1 lynch.

I don't know what snowy is doing, i can't decide if he actually doesn't have the time or is just acting like it. He's ended on the lynch every day but day 3 which was weird because the D3 lynch was a counter wagon to him.

Ezio has voted town every vote unless Thamrick is scum. He ended on worthless wagons D1 and D2 and has been on the D3 and D4 lynch and hasn't contributed at all to the game. Again like snowy, not quite sure what he's doing. Seems like a player that would come alive late game and help, especially on a day like D5 when both PR's have claimed and you know that there really won't be a chance to be killed until N7.

RDR has gone 6/6 on the lynches. He hasn't been on any of the town wagons, and obviously he was on the scum wagons. Two days he threw out a vote and kept it all day, it doesn't look like he's trying to avoid being on the lynch but he's been on the counter wagon 3 of 4 days.

Not sure why this is sticking in my mind, but I group the remaining people into three groups of three.

High posters: Jamie, Prado, Yav
Under the radar: Fox, RDR, Thamrick
Low posters/useless: DrCJG, Ezio, Snowy

I'm really under the impression that we should lynch in the under the radar pool as after I'm dead I feel that the next NK will hit someone in high posters.

More to come...

[RagingIke297]

whatever strategy I had at the start of the game had been blown into the oblivion of nonparticipation

your nonparticipation or general nonparticipation?

[Jamiet99uk]

whatever strategy I had at the start of the game had been blown into the oblivion of nonparticipation

So.... You claim you had a strategy, but your non-participation rendered it pointless?

Why did you not bother to participate if your strategy depended on it?

Useless.

[rdrivera2005]

I've been reading the God QT from M32, there's some good insight in there. I think we're over complicating this game. Town is 0/4, PR's are 2/2, we have a good pool of players left, at least one or two of you (including myself) should be able to put this together.

I feel like for the level of participation that Thamrick has put into other games I have played with him, he is relatively lack luster this game. He seems like he's hopping on wagons to make them viable, but not really pushing them and allowing them to run their course.

DrCJG did almost the exact opposite, on D1 & D2 he started every wagon he got on. Then D3 & D4 looks like Thamrick he hopped on established wagons. The difference is that Thamrick has been on D2, D3, and D4 lynches and DrCJG was only on the D1 lynch.

I don't know what snowy is doing, i can't decide if he actually doesn't have the time or is just acting like it. He's ended on the lynch every day but day 3 which was weird because the D3 lynch was a counter wagon to him.

Ezio has voted town every vote unless Thamrick is scum. He ended on worthless wagons D1 and D2 and has been on the D3 and D4 lynch and hasn't contributed at all to the game. Again like snowy, not quite sure what he's doing. Seems like a player that would come alive late game and help, especially on a day like D5 when both PR's have claimed and you know that there really won't be a chance to be killed until N7.

RDR has gone 6/6 on the lynches. He hasn't been on any of the town wagons, and obviously he was on the scum wagons. Two days he threw out a vote and kept it all day, it doesn't look like he's trying to avoid being on the lynch but he's been on the counter wagon 3 of 4 days.

Not sure why this is sticking in my mind, but I group the remaining people into three groups of three.

High posters: Jamie, Prado, Yav
Under the radar: Fox, RDR, Thamrick
Low posters/useless: DrCJG, Ezio, Snowy

I'm really under the impression that we should lynch in the under the radar pool as after I'm dead I feel that the next NK will hit someone in high posters.

More to come...

@Ike - I tend to agree with you that we should deal with the people flying under the radar (even if this includes me). Thamrick is probably my strongest scum read. What do you think of Fox?

[RagingIke297]

I think that Fox is scummy. He left the same 3 people off of his reads list twice and seems like he is avoiding them. He has advocated that I am scum all game which seems like a tactic scum would use in combination with not NK'ing me to get me lynched in a critical situation. He continues to advocate that I am scum, but isn't voting for me, seems like he is waiting until he can get enough people to not look scummy when he does it. I bring up that the scum are playing long game with me and he flat out rejects it "The scumteam is probably not playing some brilliant long game." He's posted 8 times in the last two days and I feel like he's a better player and should be doing more.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't know what snowy is doing, i can't decide if he actually doesn't have the time or is just acting like it. He's ended on the lynch every day but day 3 which was weird because the D3 lynch was a counter wagon to him.

If you are scum, and are confident your buddies can save you, it may be in your interests to be on the #3 wagon so you can't be accused of a desperate self-preservation vote.

However, on D3 Snowy ended on Foxcastle and was the only person voting that way. The third wagon during the last hour was Thamrick. Snowy hinted that he suspected Thamrick, but didn't vote for Tham.

Snowy was online during EoD 3. He posted with 3 minutes to go, but did not change his vote. He just kept it on Foxcastle even though nobody else was voting Fox, and even though he himself was at risk.

Does this suggest that if Snowy is indeed scum, he was reluctant to move his vote to Thamrick because he didn't want to re-ignite that wagon and risk lynching his scumbuddy?

[RagingIke297]

I don't know, I feel like snowy was actually unhappy when he didn't die, but I don't know if that is alignment indicative or not. There is also this by BB in the M32 God QT:

Simple way to know if snowy is town.

If he asks you questions and comments on your play.

How to tell if snowy is scum

If he talks about game state and whats going on his life.

I feel like he's been more talking about game state and his life

[Jamiet99uk]

Snowy vs Thamrick tomorrow then?

[RagingIke297]

Snowy vs Thamrick tomorrow then?

I would say lynch between Fox, RDR, Snowy & Thamrick right now, but I'm going to be reading all day and i might pick up on something that changes my mind

[Foxcastle]

I think that Fox is scummy. He left the same 3 people off of his reads list twice and seems like he is avoiding them. He has advocated that I am scum all game which seems like a tactic scum would use in combination with not NK'ing me to get me lynched in a critical situation. He continues to advocate that I am scum, but isn't voting for me, seems like he is waiting until he can get enough people to not look scummy when he does it. I bring up that the scum are playing long game with me and he flat out rejects it "The scumteam is probably not playing some brilliant long game." He's posted 8 times in the last two days and I feel like he's a better player and should be doing more.

I haven't been advocating lynching you because there's been no appetite for it, particularly when we've had copscans to work on. But yes, I still think you're scum.

Also, I was traveling for work all week, so yeah, my posting was light.

And isn't a little bit contradictory to imply I'm a reasonably good player ("I feel like he's a better play than that"), but base your scumread of me on something so boneheaded as leaving my scummates off my reads? Trust me, if I was scum, they'd have been in my reads one way or the other. As it stands, I don't mind admitting that I simply didn't catch them.

[Foxcastle]

Snowy vs Thamrick tomorrow then?

I would say lynch between Fox, RDR, Snowy & Thamrick right now, but I'm going to be reading all day and i might pick up on something that changes my mind

Also, I note that you only picked up on scumreading me after Jamiet brought it up earlier. If you want to build a case, build a case. But that's not what you're doing, you're just trying to build a wagon.

[Foxcastle]

Whatever happened to that Ezio scumslip from several days ago?

[RagingIke297]

I think that Fox is scummy. He left the same 3 people off of his reads list twice and seems like he is avoiding them. He has advocated that I am scum all game which seems like a tactic scum would use in combination with not NK'ing me to get me lynched in a critical situation. He continues to advocate that I am scum, but isn't voting for me, seems like he is waiting until he can get enough people to not look scummy when he does it. I bring up that the scum are playing long game with me and he flat out rejects it "The scumteam is probably not playing some brilliant long game." He's posted 8 times in the last two days and I feel like he's a better player and should be doing more.

I haven't been advocating lynching you because there's been no appetite for it, particularly when we've had copscans to work on. But yes, I still think you're scum.

Also, I was traveling for work all week, so yeah, my posting was light.

And isn't a little bit contradictory to imply I'm a reasonably good player ("I feel like he's a better play than that"), but base your scumread of me on something so boneheaded as leaving my scummates off my reads? Trust me, if I was scum, they'd have been in my reads one way or the other. As it stands, I don't mind admitting that I simply didn't catch them.

I just don't like it, and its not the only thing I'm basing the scum read off of. You quoted the post, read it. Additionally twice now you have mentioned how RDR is getting no pressure and you have done nothing to pressure him.

I feel like Rdrivera usually gets more pressure than this and he's been largely ignored this game.

I also left out Rdrivera. I still think it's odd that he's not getting pressure

[RagingIke297]

Whatever happened to that Ezio scumslip from several days ago?

I don't remember anyone mentioning a scum slip by Ezio

[RagingIke297]

Snowy vs Thamrick tomorrow then?

I would say lynch between Fox, RDR, Snowy & Thamrick right now, but I'm going to be reading all day and i might pick up on something that changes my mind

Also, I note that you only picked up on scumreading me after Jamiet brought it up earlier. If you want to build a case, build a case. But that's not what you're doing, you're just trying to build a wagon.

When are you referring to? I started building a case against you yesterday (d6)

[Foxcastle]

I would say lynch between Fox, RDR, Snowy & Thamrick right now, but I'm going to be reading all day and i might pick up on something that changes my mind

Also, I note that you only picked up on scumreading me after Jamiet brought it up earlier. If you want to build a case, build a case. But that's not what you're doing, you're just trying to build a wagon.

When are you referring to? I started building a case against you yesterday (d6)

Sorry, I guess it was you who brought it up, but I ended up mostly replying to Jamiet about it.

Anyway, I'm out of the loop, and behind on my tournament games, and will try to catch up, but feel free to lynch me so that you know when I say it's Ike, Jamiet, and Ezio, you know that it's at least authentic.

[RagingIke297]

I think that Fox is scummy. He left the same 3 people off of his reads list twice and seems like he is avoiding them. He has advocated that I am scum all game which seems like a tactic scum would use in combination with not NK'ing me to get me lynched in a critical situation. He continues to advocate that I am scum, but isn't voting for me, seems like he is waiting until he can get enough people to not look scummy when he does it. I bring up that the scum are playing long game with me and he flat out rejects it "The scumteam is probably not playing some brilliant long game." He's posted 8 times in the last two days and I feel like he's a better player and should be doing more.

Also, now that you point it out, I should worded that last sentence this way: I feel like he's a good player and if he is town he would be doing more


Question for you, if I am indeed scum why has the "real" doctor not claimed yet? Why didn't he save peter yesterday?

[Foxcastle]

Also, now that you point it out, I should worded that last sentence this way: I feel like he's a good player and if he is town he would be doing more

Unfortunately, while I was working 10-12 hour days on a work trip all this week, I had less time to go back and try to re-read on my phone, let alone type out theories. Mea culpa.

[RagingIke297]

This is @ you fox

Question for you, if I am indeed scum why has the "real" doctor not claimed yet? Why didn't he save peter yesterday?