M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Chaqa]

So, I think there's three broad scenarios we have to consider:

1. Both of the roleblock claims are true
In this scenario, I along with many others have been very wrong about Kgray. If both Jamie and Kgray are town, however, then Dargo must also be town, because there would be no reason to roleblock them both if scum has the Fruit Vendor. In this case, the scumteam would have to be in Chaqa, Damo, Bunny, Macca, Rivera

2. Neither of the roleblock claims are true
In this scenario, scum has both Faith Healers, whether through purchase or recruitment or random, it's hard to say. If scum owns both healers, Dargo is also likely town, since they'd not buy the FHs and the Fruit Vendor, I think. In thinking about what scumteam with two healers looks like, I'm tempted to believe kgray would be the recruit that random-rolled into Faith Healer. In this scenario, the scumteam is Jamiet, Kgray, and 2 of the rest of us that aren't Dargo. This seems like the least likely scenario, but I will go back and do some VCA and such to see who would be most likely to be their scum teammates if this is true.

3. One of the roleblock claims is true, the other is fake
I suppose this should be split into two sections - one for fakeJamie and one for fakeKgray, but I think if either one is fake it has to be Kgray. In this scenario, scum roleblocked Jamie or Kgray to ensure that their kill could go through, while the scum-Healer also claims RB. This makes sense to me as a possibility since Kgray was under a lot of suspicion, and this play would serve to make everyone clear her so an easy mis-kill can be pushed on me. Similar to before, if scum has FV, this play makes no sense, so Dargo is still clear. In this scenario, I think the scumteam is Kgray, and 3 of Chaqa/Damo/Bunny/Rivera/Macca.

Dargo looks extremely town in all three scenarios.

I rank likelihood of these as:
3 > 1 >>> 2

If one healer is fake, I think it's kgray.

Dargo locktown. Kgray only town if scumteam is exactly Macca, Damo, Bunny, Rivera. If any of those four are town, then the Kgray RB claim has to be fake.

Need to do some more analysis on Macca, Damo, Bunny, Rivera.

[damo666]

lol look at scumChaqa making scummate @darg locktown!

[Chaqa]

lol look at scumChaqa making scummate @darg locktown!

If Dargo is scum, why would mafia need to roleblock at all?

Your theory only makes sense if the scumteam is Jamie, Kgray, Me, and Dargo, and I think that's a laughably impossible scumteam.

[damo666]

So, I think there's three broad scenarios we have to consider:

1. Both of the roleblock claims are true
In this scenario, I along with many others have been very wrong about Kgray. If both Jamie and Kgray are town, however, then Dargo must also be town, because there would be no reason to roleblock them both if scum has the Fruit Vendor. In this case, the scumteam would have to be in Chaqa, Damo, Bunny, Macca, Rivera

2. Neither of the roleblock claims are true
In this scenario, scum has both Faith Healers, whether through purchase or recruitment or random, it's hard to say. If scum owns both healers, Dargo is also likely town, since they'd not buy the FHs and the Fruit Vendor, I think. In thinking about what scumteam with two healers looks like, I'm tempted to believe kgray would be the recruit that random-rolled into Faith Healer. In this scenario, the scumteam is Jamiet, Kgray, and 2 of the rest of us that aren't Dargo. This seems like the least likely scenario, but I will go back and do some VCA and such to see who would be most likely to be their scum teammates if this is true.

3. One of the roleblock claims is true, the other is fake
I suppose this should be split into two sections - one for fakeJamie and one for fakeKgray, but I think if either one is fake it has to be Kgray. In this scenario, scum roleblocked Jamie or Kgray to ensure that their kill could go through, while the scum-Healer also claims RB. This makes sense to me as a possibility since Kgray was under a lot of suspicion, and this play would serve to make everyone clear her so an easy mis-kill can be pushed on me. Similar to before, if scum has FV, this play makes no sense, so Dargo is still clear. In this scenario, I think the scumteam is Kgray, and 3 of Chaqa/Damo/Bunny/Rivera/Macca.

Dargo looks extremely town in all three scenarios.

I rank likelihood of these as:
3 > 1 >>> 2

If one healer is fake, I think it's kgray.

Dargo locktown. Kgray only town if scumteam is exactly Macca, Damo, Bunny, Rivera. If any of those four are town, then the Kgray RB claim has to be fake.

Need to do some more analysis on Macca, Damo, Bunny, Rivera.

Having reread this your theory about FV having to be town is sound in scenarios 1 & 3. However in scenario 2 FV compliments 2FH very well as it denies town interference.

Having initially poured scorn on your post I have to put my thinking cap back on!

[damo666]

lol look at scumChaqa making scummate @darg locktown!

If Dargo is scum, why would mafia need to roleblock at all?

Your theory only makes sense if the scumteam is Jamie, Kgray, Me, and Dargo, and I think that's a laughably impossible scumteam.

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[Chaqa]

So, I think there's three broad scenarios we have to consider:

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Having reread this your theory about FV having to be town is sound in scenarios 1 & 3. However in scenario 2 FV compliments 2FH very well as it denies town interference.

Having initially poured scorn on your post I have to put my thinking cap back on!

The Maniac kill also supports at least one scum FH.

[Chaqa]

Day 1:
Fluminator (9) BunnyGo, Jamiet99u​k, dargorygel, damo666, kgray, seth24c, Maniac, teacon7, 'The Double Vote'
Jamiet99uk (5) ghug, Fluminator, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian, bo_sox48
teacon7 (2) Vecna, rdrivera2005
ghug​ (1) Macca573
BunnyGo (1) bozotheclown

Day 2:
Hellenic Riot (7) Jamiet99uk, seth24c, Hamilton Brian, dargorygel, Vecna, Maniac, Chaqa
dargorygel (4) BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, ghug, kgray
Maniac (3) bo_sox48, teacon7, rdrivera2005
teacon7 (2) damo666, The Double Vote
kgray (1) Flum

Day 3:
bo_sox48 (7) rdrivera2005, Macca573, damo6​66, seth24c, kgray, Maniac, ghug
seth24c (4) BunnyGo, da​rgorygel, Chaqa, The Double Vote
Maniac (2) Jamiet99uk, bo_sox48
kgray (1) Vecna

Day 4:
ghug (6) Jamiet99uk, dargorygel, damo666, ​kgray, Vecna, rdrivera2005
kgray (5) ghug, seth24c, Chaq​a, Fluminator, 'The Double Vote'
seth24c (2) Macca573, BunnyGo

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank you Chaqa.

With all that you have said, I am happy with my Rdrivera vote. He is in all of your scumpools, I think.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why did Seth put the Double Vote on himself D3?

If that's been explained, I've forgotten.

[BunnyGo]

lol look at scumChaqa making scummate @darg locktown!

If Dargo is scum, why would mafia need to roleblock at all?

Your theory only makes sense if the scumteam is Jamie, Kgray, Me, and Dargo, and I think that's a laughably impossible scumteam.

If dargo is scum, they chose not to RB me and instead RB the doctors to clear him with this WIFOM. It is a possibility. But not one I'm willing to chase today. If dargo is scum, I'll still be trying to find one of the other 3.

[BunnyGo]

Why did Seth put the Double Vote on himself D3?

If that's been explained, I've forgotten.

Misdirection? It points again to scum using rolecop to having to figure out what his role was (and as he was scumread by me and others I don't see them killing him without knowing).

[damo666]

lol look at scumChaqa making scummate @darg locktown!

If Dargo is scum, why would mafia need to roleblock at all?

Your theory only makes sense if the scumteam is Jamie, Kgray, Me, and Dargo, and I think that's a laughably impossible scumteam.

Suppose both FH are town and FV is scum. They could RB 1 FH and fruit the other but this would more or less out darg, so they use 2 RB to hide the FV. This implies a probable original 3 of Macca darg and either rdr or chaqa with a recruit of Bunny/rdr/chaqa.

[Chaqa]

Why did Seth put the Double Vote on himself D3?

If that's been explained, I've forgotten.

I don't think anyone has realized or brought it up until now. Maybe he planned to use it to clear himself somehow..?

[Chaqa]

lol look at scumChaqa making scummate @darg locktown!

If Dargo is scum, why would mafia need to roleblock at all?

Your theory only makes sense if the scumteam is Jamie, Kgray, Me, and Dargo, and I think that's a laughably impossible scumteam.

Suppose both FH are town and FV is scum. They could RB 1 FH and fruit the other but this would more or less out darg, so they use 2 RB to hide the FV. This implies a probable original 3 of Macca darg and either rdr or chaqa with a recruit of Bunny/rdr/chaqa.

I'd be willing to at least SLIGHTLY buy this if the Tracker last night is town. Which one of you is the odd tracker?

[rdrivera2005]

Thank you Chaqa.

With all that you have said, I am happy with my Rdrivera vote. He is in all of your scumpools, I think.

If you are town you will be the one responsible for town losing. If you are scum, kudos, well played.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank you Chaqa.

With all that you have said, I am happy with my Rdrivera vote. He is in all of your scumpools, I think.

If you are town you will be the one responsible for town losing. If you are scum, kudos, well played.

I am town.

Rather than whinging at me, convince me (a) why you must be town, and (b) who I should vote for instead.

[damo666]

If Dargo is scum, why would mafia need to roleblock at all?

Your theory only makes sense if the scumteam is Jamie, Kgray, Me, and Dargo, and I think that's a laughably impossible scumteam.

Suppose both FH are town and FV is scum. They could RB 1 FH and fruit the other but this would more or less out darg, so they use 2 RB to hide the FV. This implies a probable original 3 of Macca darg and either rdr or chaqa with a recruit of Bunny/rdr/chaqa.

I'd be willing to at least SLIGHTLY buy this if the Tracker last night is town. Which one of you is the odd tracker?

I'm even. Bunny claims odd.

[rdrivera2005]

Thank you Chaqa.

With all that you have said, I am happy with my Rdrivera vote. He is in all of your scumpools, I think.

If you are town you will be the one responsible for town losing. If you are scum, kudos, well played.

I am town.

Rather than whinging at me, convince me (a) why you must be town, and (b) who I should vote for instead.

I don't think I can give you a reason because I must be town. There is no mechanically clear at this point. But at least read my ISO, consider what I have been saying and my reasoning. Voting me because I am on some scumpools is really lazy.

You should vote for Chaqa or Kgray.

If Chaqa is town we lose anyway, because Flum is voting him. And Kgray isn't town, it's pretty obvious. Why do you think she is still alive?

[Chaqa]

I still think the most likely scenario is Kgray is fake claiming RB and Jamie was actually roleblocked to make it seem like Kgray is town.

[Jamiet99uk]

And Kgray isn't town, it's pretty obvious. Why do you think she is still alive?

Tell me why the Scum would recruit one Faith Healer, but not both?