M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Vecna]

lol, i totally forgot flum was still in this

that actually means we have an extra misskill if the doublevoter is town

[Vecna]

@darg: What if UB was on scum and theyre trying to make us waste our daykill on Kgray today?

Another reason to poop on macca instead

[Vecna]

in fact, if we were to massclaim right now I bet Kgray would turn out to be UB

[dargorygel]

Concerning macca.
I realize that he is fairly (but not completely) inexperienced. But that is not a free pass.

I noted before the 'connection' with kgray. Their (Macca's) response was a quick denial, including a vote-record-quote, and a diversion. And then now a vote for kgray.

I have been townreading kgray until this morning. But a) I am not satisfied with the potential buddying of me. b) I am now agreeing that kgray's digging this game has been surface (other than a couple of particular angry bouts.)

Today looks to me like a hooked scum, trying to spit out the hook.

##VOTE Macca

Et tu, darg? How is what I'm doing any more surface than what others are doing?

I have already explained my townread of you and I don't understand why that's less compelling to you than, for example, Vecna's insistence that seth is town. Or Chaqa's that ghug is town. Or yours that damo is town. Are you, Chaqa, me and Vecna all scum who are buddying someone?

Yeah, Julius Kaesargray, it makes me sad too. You were my #2 townread (as you know...) You HAVE explained your townread, and your explanation makes sense to me, because you are right. What has started bothering me though is the enthusiasm about it. It has started to feel like you 'know' more than you can 'know.' It is a gut feeling, that never seems to waiver. So now I am wondering if you are scummily setting up an "I told y'all so" moment when I flip town.

(Your comparison examples bear some merit. But I have questioned vecna about his seth read, and found it is not as strong as he implied. And Chaqa usually plays like that. He often seems boundlessly sure with invisible reasons. YOU do not usually play like that.

Add to that the interaction(s) with macca.

So I am voting for macca. His flip will inform my further read of you.

[Chaqa]

Oh, NOW someone else thinks UB could be a scum role.

Vecna, do you just parrot my ideas thinking their your own?

[dargorygel]

@darg: What if UB was on scum and theyre trying to make us waste our daykill on Kgray today?

Another reason to poop on macca instead

I don't understand this idea. Are you wondering if scum has the UB role? (and therefore would want us to daykill (tr) kgray?
Wouldn't the UB role already be used up? How would killing kgray benifit them/hurt us in that light?

[ghug]

Oh, NOW someone else thinks UB could be a scum role.

Vecna, do you just parrot my ideas thinking their your own?

Yo, I said I'd pick UB way back when bozo asked.

[dargorygel]

Ah, ok... you are suggesting kgray IS the UB, now a useless role.

[dargorygel]

(apologies, macca, for the pronoun thing.)

[ghug]

Ah, ok... you are suggesting kgray IS the UB, now a useless role.

No, he's suggesting that she's become the governor.

[dargorygel]

Oh, NOW someone else thinks UB could be a scum role.

Vecna, do you just parrot my ideas thinking their your own?

Yo, I said I'd pick UB way back when bozo asked.

Yes, I recall that.
I don't remember why you said that, though.
More importantly DID you pick UB?

[damo666]

im perfectly fine popping Macca - Kgray - Chaqa - Ghug (in that order because I like Ghug and he's entertaining) untill one of em doesnt flip scum.

I feel quite good about those 4 just being the team

@Vecna do you have any evidence of scum on Macca other than your coaching theory? You do not have to provide detail if you don't wish, a simple yes or no will suffice. Thanks.

no extra evidence

OK thanks.

[dargorygel]

Ah, ok... you are suggesting kgray IS the UB, now a useless role.

No, he's suggesting that she's become the governor.

click
thanks

What do you think of that idea?

[damo666]

I was thinking a bit about Maniac and who scum likely thought he was going to shoot. The initial list he gave was:

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

Which got narrowed down to Chaqa and Seth. He also voted kgray and hinted Dargo could be a target (I think?)

I would have expected Maniac's shot to go to one of these three people. Mafia would likely not kill Maniac at that point if they were super-concerned about him shooting one of their own. It's a slight point in kgray's favor, as well as Seth (and mine, from other perspectives, I would think).

Curious to see Vecna, Jamie, and ghug's thoughts on this. Is it WIFOM, or did you guys think Maniac would shoot someone he never mentioned?

We know that Jamie was Maniac's target don't we?

[Vecna]

@darg: What if UB was on scum and theyre trying to make us waste our daykill on Kgray today?

Another reason to poop on macca instead

I don't understand this idea. Are you wondering if scum has the UB role? (and therefore would want us to daykill (tr) kgray?
Wouldn't the UB role already be used up? How would killing kgray benifit them/hurt us in that light?

The UB is now the night governor. The way certain people are insistent to kill Kgray today (and over Macca) really fits with Kgray being UB that activated on herself so she cannot be daykilled today.

[ghug]

Oh, NOW someone else thinks UB could be a scum role.

Vecna, do you just parrot my ideas thinking their your own?

Yo, I said I'd pick UB way back when bozo asked.

Yes, I recall that.
I don't remember why you said that, though.
More importantly DID you pick UB?

No, my team overrode me.

[Vecna]

Oh, NOW someone else thinks UB could be a scum role.

Vecna, do you just parrot my ideas thinking their your own?

Ive been agreeing/pushing since the start with the notion scum likely took any combination of Diarist/trackers/UB to deny all investigative power to town

[Chaqa]

I was thinking a bit about Maniac and who scum likely thought he was going to shoot. The initial list he gave was:

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

Which got narrowed down to Chaqa and Seth. He also voted kgray and hinted Dargo could be a target (I think?)

I would have expected Maniac's shot to go to one of these three people. Mafia would likely not kill Maniac at that point if they were super-concerned about him shooting one of their own. It's a slight point in kgray's favor, as well as Seth (and mine, from other perspectives, I would think).

Curious to see Vecna, Jamie, and ghug's thoughts on this. Is it WIFOM, or did you guys think Maniac would shoot someone he never mentioned?

We know that Jamie was Maniac's target don't we?

Yes, that's not what I'm asking.

[Vecna]

the idea is probably a bit too convenient though. Scum being the first 3 on the wagon when that power pops off would look hella suspect.

Ofcourse noone would think theyd be the first 3 of the wagon and wifom would never lead to suspicious being on the first 3 votes, but still.

[dargorygel]

I forgot about the governor.

This is a possibility, regarding the 'bus.' Not simply a mad all out bus ride, but keeps the daykill alive.

It would make kgray pretty scum, if kgray survives the daykill.