M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Vecna]

Jamiet, read my post there, and look at the timing of Macca's posts today.

See if you can get behind my reasoning on how scum are trying to guide/council him and trying to make him look towny by constant fake townslips.

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, things calmed down.

@Jamie, I believe you. Could you explain why you claimed at this time?

First, I felt it was of some benefit to town to know understand the night's events, and secondly, I couldn't bear the prospect of Ghug tunnelling me again for a whole day and wasting yet more of town's time, and thirdly there is still another FH out there, who could choose to save me tonight if they wish, thus presenting the scum with a dilemma (which is actually a more complex dilemma than it initially seems!).

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamiet, read my post there, and look at the timing of Macca's posts today.

See if you can get behind my reasoning on how scum are trying to guide/council him and trying to make him look towny by constant fake townslips.

I noticed that, and I think it's entirely plausible, Vecna.

[Vecna]

how was the pub

[dargorygel]

I wouldnt be too surprised if the scumteam is actually just Macca-Kgray-Ghug-Chaqa

Either chaqa or ghug could be replaced by -maybe- rdrivera/Damo

rdrivera/damo...
I have strongly townread damo all game. I even changed my 'use plan' for my fruit based on HIS (and others' description/advice... but really mostly HIS not performing as i expected...) announcement of the fruit. This morning, I am thinking that I have some bias going. His argument about Jamie is faulty, yes. I am not sure that is AI, though. He is picking holes in the prevailing reasoning, but that is very damo, yes? I am not ready to vote for him.

rdrivera has not made an impression on me. It doesn't seem likely to me that scum would choose that role. But maybe teacon (et al) are right. IF scum had chosen rdr's role, it would have had the result we presently have. Rdr seems 'safe.' AND he would have low-boiled the entire game? I don't know... he might have, as scum, tried to take an active town-leader persona.

I do not really see either likely.

[dargorygel]

Well, things calmed down.

@Jamie, I believe you. Could you explain why you claimed at this time?

First, I felt it was of some benefit to town to know understand the night's events, and secondly, I couldn't bear the prospect of Ghug tunnelling me again for a whole day and wasting yet more of town's time, and thirdly there is still another FH out there, who could choose to save me tonight if they wish, thus presenting the scum with a dilemma (which is actually a more complex dilemma than it initially seems!).

Thanks
This seems like town Jamie to me. Note the personal reason.. ghug... tied around a rational/logical deductive answer.

[dargorygel]

Jamiet, read my post there, and look at the timing of Macca's posts today.

See if you can get behind my reasoning on how scum are trying to guide/council him and trying to make him look towny by constant fake townslips.

Assuming scum has daychat, I would expect better squirming from 'coached' macca. But I still see this. The scumchat would not be telling him exactly what to say. They might say, "make a slip about THIS" and so he does... but is nervous and scrambly.

[Vecna]

I wouldnt be too surprised if the scumteam is actually just Macca-Kgray-Ghug-Chaqa

Either chaqa or ghug could be replaced by -maybe- rdrivera/Damo

rdrivera/damo...
I have strongly townread damo all game. I even changed my 'use plan' for my fruit based on HIS (and others' description/advice... but really mostly HIS not performing as i expected...) announcement of the fruit. This morning, I am thinking that I have some bias going. His argument about Jamie is faulty, yes. I am not sure that is AI, though. He is picking holes in the prevailing reasoning, but that is very damo, yes? I am not ready to vote for him.

rdrivera has not made an impression on me. It doesn't seem likely to me that scum would choose that role. But maybe teacon (et al) are right. IF scum had chosen rdr's role, it would have had the result we presently have. Rdr seems 'safe.' AND he would have low-boiled the entire game? I don't know... he might have, as scum, tried to take an active town-leader persona.

I do not really see either likely.

Awesome, welcome to my towncore - you just flipped as hard as wisconsin

[Vecna]

im perfectly fine popping Macca - Kgray - Chaqa - Ghug (in that order because I like Ghug and he's entertaining) untill one of em doesnt flip scum.

I feel quite good about those 4 just being the team

[Jamiet99uk]

Would it be useful for me to announce who I saved on N1 and N2?

[Vecna]

im not completely convinced that youre right on Rdrivera, but he might just as well be town having an off game

[damo666]

@rdr please explain yourself

I see nothing wrong with my logic. I don't see how messages impinge on it at all (apart from the fact that I have virtually admitted I am not a healer).

1. I chose to protect myself last night, thinking that Maniac would target me.
2. Maniac was killed, and he was the Vengeful.
3. I got a message telling me that I had successfully saved my target (i.e. myself) from death.
4. Nobody else died.

So it's 100% confirmed that Maniac targeted me, Maniac was the scum NK target, and I would have died too if I hadn't protected myself. Unless you think I am lying about my role.

Ah OK. You only get a saved message if there was an attempt on your life? I don't think you would lie so you must have been the target.

Two things I don't understand:

1) Don't know why Maniac chose you, you've screamed town all game to me.
2) Why have you claimed? I see no advantage and assuming you are not lying you have set yourself up to be NKd (if scum can afford a RB). I don't get your play. And of course if you are not NK'd we'll have to condider DKing you.

[Vecna]

Would it be useful for me to announce who I saved on N1 and N2?

I had almost asked if it was you that saved me on N2, but it might actually help scum narrow down who is the other doc if it wasnt you (based on their reads of me or whatever)....

So id just keep it quiet tbh

Also in case were gonna do some massclaim later on. Better to not give scum the info. Its also the reason ive been completely quiet about my N1 and N3 result.

[Vecna]

The only thing thats scaring me is that im seeing patterns again, and I always just force myself tosee them (and so far theyre only about 50/50 on actually existing, and that might be a generous statistic in my favour)

[dargorygel]

I still raise eyebrows at Bunny. But I am willing to forego that avenue for now. Particularly because I do not see connections with him anywhere. He might end up being the scum wearing the lurker hat.

But if this progression works, we WILL have a little leeway, yes?

[Jamiet99uk]

@rdr please explain yourself

I see nothing wrong with my logic. I don't see how messages impinge on it at all (apart from the fact that I have virtually admitted I am not a healer).

1. I chose to protect myself last night, thinking that Maniac would target me.
2. Maniac was killed, and he was the Vengeful.
3. I got a message telling me that I had successfully saved my target (i.e. myself) from death.
4. Nobody else died.

So it's 100% confirmed that Maniac targeted me, Maniac was the scum NK target, and I would have died too if I hadn't protected myself. Unless you think I am lying about my role.

Ah OK. You only get a saved message if there was an attempt on your life? I don't think you would lie so you must have been the target.

Two things I don't understand:

1) Don't know why Maniac chose you, you've screamed town all game to me.
2) Why have you claimed? I see no advantage and assuming you are not lying you have set yourself up to be NKd (if scum can afford a RB). I don't get your play. And of course if you are not NK'd we'll have to condider DKing you.

I have answered question 2 very recently, Damoo,
aren't you reading the thread?

[Vecna]

I still raise eyebrows at Bunny. But I am willing to forego that avenue for now. Particularly because I do not see connections with him anywhere. He might end up being the scum wearing the lurker hat.

But if this progression works, we WILL have a little leeway, yes?

unless scum have the double voter we still have 2 miskills left

[dargorygel]

Captain Obvious here. If the Vecna Plan is correct, all three votes on kgray are bussing.

[Vecna]

it might be prudent to have the double voter claim right now, since if we do not hit scum today, tomorrow could be mylo (and we really dont wanna be put in a position there that we have to decide on the spot if its town or scum).

[Vecna]

Captain Obvious here. If the Vecna Plan is correct, all three votes on kgray are bussing.

interesting