M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[dargorygel]

Can someone explain to me the rdrivera situation? Earlier there was talk about him being a 'safe' daykill for town. But i didn't understand it.

If seth does not come back, we probs shouldn't daykill him, with no chance to claim.

I am thinking about Maniac.

I believe maniac is town, and is Vengeful. I generally trust Maniac’s reads. So if he is town, and we kill him, we get a scum in exchange. If, by some chance, he is actually scum, and we kill him, we have the same exchange.
He seemed to mildly expect to be Daykilled, today. I do not find joy in another day like today, controlled by Maniac’s whims.
The downside obviously is that we would at worst have two townkills today.
Thoughts?

[Chaqa]

It also seems like bo is lying, since the only unclaimed roles that are expensive are Diarist and Double Voter, and I really doubt he'd call either of those "not crazy valuable".

Sorry, I skimmed the last few pages - lying on what?

[ghug]

It also seems like bo is lying, since the only unclaimed roles that are expensive are Diarist and Double Voter, and I really doubt he'd call either of those "not crazy valuable".

I guess it's possible he's town vengeful and hasn't seen Maniac's claim, but if that's what's happening, this game may be hopeless.

[dargorygel]

It also seems like bo is lying, since the only unclaimed roles that are expensive are Diarist and Double Voter, and I really doubt he'd call either of those "not crazy valuable".

hmmmm

[BunnyGo]

Correct. Suburban PA :/

Thank you for exercising your heavily weighted vote. Mine matter jack all for the presidency, but has some bearing on the senate.

I am aware that subtle non-informed things are town slips. This was above and beyond. The "townslip" to me was that they recruited him. He was saying "I wasn't an original scum", but then he layered it with an error about getting his role. Which is what he'd know if he was town.

That's why I said "trying". It was too blatant to be real, I think.

Gotcha. Thank you for completing the English-to-Bunny translation.

[ghug]

It also seems like bo is lying, since the only unclaimed roles that are expensive are Diarist and Double Voter, and I really doubt he'd call either of those "not crazy valuable".

Sorry, I skimmed the last few pages - lying on what?

If you kill me, good for you, I'm town. I'm not a crazy valuable role in the grander scheme, but I'm a role that would have cost the mafia some of their budget had they recruited me.

[Chaqa]

Can someone explain to me the rdrivera situation? Earlier there was talk about him being a 'safe' daykill for town. But i didn't understand it.

If seth does not come back, we probs shouldn't daykill him, with no chance to claim.

I am thinking about Maniac.

I believe maniac is town, and is Vengeful. I generally trust Maniac’s reads. So if he is town, and we kill him, we get a scum in exchange. If, by some chance, he is actually scum, and we kill him, we have the same exchange.
He seemed to mildly expect to be Daykilled, today. I do not find joy in another day like today, controlled by Maniac’s whims.
The downside obviously is that we would at worst have two townkills today.
Thoughts?

Considering Maniac's list he gave, I do not trust his reads at all right now. Pretty sure he's got at least 4 town on that list.

[Chaqa]

It also seems like bo is lying, since the only unclaimed roles that are expensive are Diarist and Double Voter, and I really doubt he'd call either of those "not crazy valuable".

Sorry, I skimmed the last few pages - lying on what?

If you kill me, good for you, I'm town. I'm not a crazy valuable role in the grander scheme, but I'm a role that would have cost the mafia some of their budget had they recruited me.

Eh. I don't get any scum vibes from it. Seems he's just implying his role is a positive-costed one.

[dargorygel]

Can someone explain to me the rdrivera situation? Earlier there was talk about him being a 'safe' daykill for town. But i didn't understand it.

If seth does not come back, we probs shouldn't daykill him, with no chance to claim.

I am thinking about Maniac.

I believe maniac is town, and is Vengeful. I generally trust Maniac’s reads. So if he is town, and we kill him, we get a scum in exchange. If, by some chance, he is actually scum, and we kill him, we have the same exchange.
He seemed to mildly expect to be Daykilled, today. I do not find joy in another day like today, controlled by Maniac’s whims.
The downside obviously is that we would at worst have two townkills today.
Thoughts?

Considering Maniac's list he gave, I do not trust his reads at all right now. Pretty sure he's got at least 4 town on that list.

I am not sure he has given us his true reads, due to the ploy he is ploying. He would want to keep the scumroom in the dark.
And I did say, "generally."

[ghug]

Can someone explain to me the rdrivera situation? Earlier there was talk about him being a 'safe' daykill for town. But i didn't understand it.

If seth does not come back, we probs shouldn't daykill him, with no chance to claim.

I am thinking about Maniac.

I believe maniac is town, and is Vengeful. I generally trust Maniac’s reads. So if he is town, and we kill him, we get a scum in exchange. If, by some chance, he is actually scum, and we kill him, we have the same exchange.
He seemed to mildly expect to be Daykilled, today. I do not find joy in another day like today, controlled by Maniac’s whims.
The downside obviously is that we would at worst have two townkills today.
Thoughts?

Darg still pretty scummy

Killing Maniac is dumb if we think he's town (which I agree is the most possible). We get his ability on a nightkill too.

People don't get to be immune from daykill because they announced they'd be gone for EoD, especially in a setup where the difference between most and least useful roles is less extreme, and scum could be most of them anyway.

[dargorygel]

Sorry, I skimmed the last few pages - lying on what?

If you kill me, good for you, I'm town. I'm not a crazy valuable role in the grander scheme, but I'm a role that would have cost the mafia some of their budget had they recruited me.

Eh. I don't get any scum vibes from it. Seems he's just implying his role is a positive-costed one.

"Some" of their budget. Aye.

[Chaqa]

Sorry, I skimmed the last few pages - lying on what?

If you kill me, good for you, I'm town. I'm not a crazy valuable role in the grander scheme, but I'm a role that would have cost the mafia some of their budget had they recruited me.

Eh. I don't get any scum vibes from it. Seems he's just implying his role is a positive-costed one.

Or, negative-costed. The one that costs them money

[ghug]

Sorry, I skimmed the last few pages - lying on what?

If you kill me, good for you, I'm town. I'm not a crazy valuable role in the grander scheme, but I'm a role that would have cost the mafia some of their budget had they recruited me.

Eh. I don't get any scum vibes from it. Seems he's just implying his role is a positive-costed one.

I read it as "my role is expensive".

[ghug]

Hi Vecna

[dargorygel]

Can someone explain to me the rdrivera situation? Earlier there was talk about him being a 'safe' daykill for town. But i didn't understand it.

If seth does not come back, we probs shouldn't daykill him, with no chance to claim.

I am thinking about Maniac.

I believe maniac is town, and is Vengeful. I generally trust Maniac’s reads. So if he is town, and we kill him, we get a scum in exchange. If, by some chance, he is actually scum, and we kill him, we have the same exchange.
He seemed to mildly expect to be Daykilled, today. I do not find joy in another day like today, controlled by Maniac’s whims.
The downside obviously is that we would at worst have two townkills today.
Thoughts?

Darg still pretty scummy

Killing Maniac is dumb if we think he's town (which I agree is the most possible). We get his ability on a nightkill too.

People don't get to be immune from daykill because they announced they'd be gone for EoD, especially in a setup where the difference between most and least useful roles is less extreme, and scum could be most of them anyway.

Yeah, everything I type you call scummy, so no surprise there.

I agree in general about the Maniac thing. Just thinking things through.

Did ole seth say he was going to be gone, or did he just disappear?

[Chaqa]

Eh. I don't get any scum vibes from it. Seems he's just implying his role is a positive-costed one.

I read it as "my role is expensive".

That isn't what he actually said, though. My take is his role is in the 5 to 15ish cost region.

[kgray]

Can someone explain to me the rdrivera situation? Earlier there was talk about him being a 'safe' daykill for town. But i didn't understand it.

If seth does not come back, we probs shouldn't daykill him, with no chance to claim.

I am thinking about Maniac.

I believe maniac is town, and is Vengeful. I generally trust Maniac’s reads. So if he is town, and we kill him, we get a scum in exchange. If, by some chance, he is actually scum, and we kill him, we have the same exchange.
He seemed to mildly expect to be Daykilled, today. I do not find joy in another day like today, controlled by Maniac’s whims.
The downside obviously is that we would at worst have two townkills today.
Thoughts?

Same, but I think it's probably best to not DK him, and just ignore him if he tries to do this again tomorrow.

The rivera situation, as I understood it, was that Maniac thinks we should DK Rivera as policy because he's vanilla and Maniac thinks there's a good chance sum!Rivera would have chosen that role.

[dargorygel]

(answering my own question about seth... he did not imply he'd be gone.)

[Chaqa]

I do think it's odd bo hasn't "released" my vote off kgray yet, though (unless I missed it) since ghug and Jamiet were very eager to do so.

[dargorygel]

Can someone explain to me the rdrivera situation? Earlier there was talk about him being a 'safe' daykill for town. But i didn't understand it.

If seth does not come back, we probs shouldn't daykill him, with no chance to claim.

I am thinking about Maniac.

I believe maniac is town, and is Vengeful. I generally trust Maniac’s reads. So if he is town, and we kill him, we get a scum in exchange. If, by some chance, he is actually scum, and we kill him, we have the same exchange.
He seemed to mildly expect to be Daykilled, today. I do not find joy in another day like today, controlled by Maniac’s whims.
The downside obviously is that we would at worst have two townkills today.
Thoughts?

Same, but I think it's probably best to not DK him, and just ignore him if he tries to do this again tomorrow.

The rivera situation, as I understood it, was that Maniac thinks we should DK Rivera as policy because he's vanilla and Maniac thinks there's a good chance sum!Rivera would have chosen that role.

Thanks... and teacon also believed that rdr might be scum.