M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[BunnyGo]

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Why are you never talking abour Kgray, Rdrivera, Bo_sox?

Why are you not even slightly suspicious of that slot given your history?

The short answer is I agree with rdr that we should be hunting on the HR wagon. I think it's much much harder to hunt without any known scum, so let's find one.

To answer your implied question about my opinion of those three:

rdr seems towny to me (NOT for mechanical reasons...I think his vanilla character is NAI), because I find myself wanting to make every post he does; they're very thoughtful and open.

kgray and bo are hard for me to read in general, so my default is to always have a slight scum-lean on them. Some additions:

Of the kgray/chaqa fight today, I think Chaqa is the scummier of the two (but Chaqa is ALWAYS crazy and scummy).

Of the kgray/ghug "fight" (he seems to just be pushing her for reads), I think ghug is townier.

I have not been annoying kgray as much this game, but that has been a conscious decision after publicly apologizing last game. That said, I don't find her posts compelling, I just have trouble making a read on that. Her confusion with my posts is possibly a scum tell, she may be gaslighting me for revenge.

Is there something to say about bo? No? He harassed me for wondering where you were Day 1? Yeah...that's a bit scummy in itself. But not enough for any actual read.

tldr; Of the three you asked about

Townier
rdr
bo
kgray
scummier

but bo and kgray are closer to the null end of scummier.

[BunnyGo]

Damn, that was still long. Of the 4 current wagons, my preference for voting:

Seth > Chaq > kgray > bo

[Chaqa]

The problem is, if Maniac is Scum Vengeful, how can we win without daykilling him at some point?

Perhaps it is therefore better to do it today than waiting until there are only a few town left?

I guess Vengeful is a pretty damn powerful role for Scum to have.

I think we’re kinda forced to daykill him.

If he’s town and we don’t, scum can kill him tonight.

If he’s scum and we don’t, he only gets more powerful as more of us die and a 1:1 scum trade gets better mathematically for mafia

no....youre forced to read him properly. If he's town, then its scum that are forced to kill him, which means his power gets progressively stronger for town.

Not that reading maniac is easy or whatever

This post was made before it was clear to me that his ability would still trigger if he was nightkilled

[Chaqa]

About to go stand in line to vote. I’ll be on pretty much the whole day though after that

[Jamiet99uk]

About to go stand in line to vote. I’ll be on pretty much the whole day though after that

Please ensure you vote for the correct old rich white man.

[Jamiet99uk]

I may not be here for EoD.

I suspect Chaqa, Seth, Dargorygel; possibly still Maniac, possibly Rdrivera.

[Jamiet99uk]

I may not be here for EoD.

I suspect Chaqa, Seth, Dargorygel; possibly still Maniac, possibly Rdrivera.

I also am increasingly starting to suspect Bo_Sox, as I mentioned to Ghug.

[Maniac]

Thank-you all for playing my games

The second game is hereby ended.

From here on in you can all vote for only one of the following

Maniac
Bo_Sox
Seth

I will be selecting my target a few minutes from the EOD. I would appreciate it if the final vote is stable within the last few minutes. I don’t want to target someone who then dies EOD as it nerfs my shot tonight.

I know that Damo666, Rdriveria and Macca have had a pass today. That does not mean they are off my radar. They may well be part of tomorrow’s game if I’m still alive.

You can all moan all you like about how I’m playing. I may not have been able to narrow down two scum to to choose from. What’s important for Town is that we have a town led daykill today. This is my way of ensuring Town make a collective decision.

The first person who votes outside of my list will be targeted by me for elimination. Until they vote for someone in my list. My elimination target then shifts to next person who votes outside my list etc.

No good towny will want to commit suicide. Everyone must vote for one of the above three.

Continue to make your cases on others by all means.

See you all at the EOD, don’t make me eliminate you!!

[Vecna]

Seth can you get your ass ik here and continue to obv town

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank-you all for playing my games

The second game is hereby ended.

From here on in you can all vote for only one of the following

Maniac
Bo_Sox
Seth

I will be selecting my target a few minutes from the EOD. I would appreciate it if the final vote is stable within the last few minutes. I don’t want to target someone who then dies EOD as it nerfs my shot tonight.

I know that Damo666, Rdriveria and Macca have had a pass today. That does not mean they are off my radar. They may well be part of tomorrow’s game if I’m still alive.

You can all moan all you like about how I’m playing. I may not have been able to narrow down two scum to to choose from. What’s important for Town is that we have a town led daykill today. This is my way of ensuring Town make a collective decision.

The first person who votes outside of my list will be targeted by me for elimination. Until they vote for someone in my list. My elimination target then shifts to next person who votes outside my list etc.

No good towny will want to commit suicide. Everyone must vote for one of the above three.

Continue to make your cases on others by all means.

See you all at the EOD, don’t make me eliminate you!!

What are you going to do about people who have already cast a vote, but not within your list?

[Jamiet99uk]

Right, since:

1, I cannot be here at EoD, and
2, Maniac insists on playing this absurd anti-Town game, and
3, Maniac is on his own list:

##VOTE MANIAC

See you all in Night 3. Bye.

[rdrivera2005]

you dont think shed say those things as scum?

Isn't the things she said, but the tone. I think hard to fake this kind of emotion.

[damo666]

Right, since:

1, I cannot be here at EoD, and
2, Maniac insists on playing this absurd anti-Town game, and
3, Maniac is on his own list:

##VOTE MANIAC

See you all in Night 3. Bye.

Jamie you should consider. This is an anti-town vote. You potentially could be killing 2 town.

[dargorygel]

I am not thrilled with Maniac's game going all the way to EoD. Others have said this, though. And I do not 'get' his game (although I am thinking that he is charting people's choices/reactions... but I don't see the strong value.) But his game DID cause me to think about seth.
It took until page 56 for him to do more than call people 'null.' He said there that folk were ‘on his radar.’ But we haven’t seen radar/sonar/star trek sensors at all so far.
#1118 Post by seth24c » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:49 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:48 pm
seth24c wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:47 pm
I'm here. Still haven't been convinced on either wagon.
You must vote.

Who are your top scumreads?

Do you even have one?
All three of the top wagons have been on my radar. Can't decide whether flums reaction test was malicious or just a bad idea.


A few pages later in post 1354, he calls rdrivera ‘scummy.’ I cannot find any other reads that lead to anything but null, or at best, 'iffy,' or 'on his radar.'

This is not hedgy. This is not declaring anything, let alone declaring and backpedaling.

This is a game that feels a lot more like pure vanilla, yes? We have roles, but deducing them does not discover alignment. I think seth is scum who is trying to fly under the radar… even his own.

##VOTE SETH24C

[rdrivera2005]

Thank-you all for playing my games

The second game is hereby ended.

From here on in you can all vote for only one of the following

Maniac
Bo_Sox
Seth

I will be selecting my target a few minutes from the EOD. I would appreciate it if the final vote is stable within the last few minutes. I don’t want to target someone who then dies EOD as it nerfs my shot tonight.

I know that Damo666, Rdriveria and Macca have had a pass today. That does not mean they are off my radar. They may well be part of tomorrow’s game if I’m still alive.

You can all moan all you like about how I’m playing. I may not have been able to narrow down two scum to to choose from. What’s important for Town is that we have a town led daykill today. This is my way of ensuring Town make a collective decision.

The first person who votes outside of my list will be targeted by me for elimination. Until they vote for someone in my list. My elimination target then shifts to next person who votes outside my list etc.

No good towny will want to commit suicide. Everyone must vote for one of the above three.

Continue to make your cases on others by all means.

See you all at the EOD, don’t make me eliminate you!!

I think you should reconsider this Maniac. If you are town as I believe, you are limiting the choices to only two. Unless both are scum, you are giving scum a great way to hide and don't stick his neck pushing a wagon, they just need to vote town and say "between A and B, I choose A (the town). If both are town it's even worse as scum might NK you to get a double town kill.

[Jamiet99uk]

Right, since:

1, I cannot be here at EoD, and
2, Maniac insists on playing this absurd anti-Town game, and
3, Maniac is on his own list:

##VOTE MANIAC

See you all in Night 3. Bye.

Jamie you should consider. This is an anti-town vote. You potentially could be killing 2 town.

Yes Damo well I'd like to vote for Chaqa but Maniac has declared that he'll basically try to throw the game if I do that, so what do you fucking want?

I'm going to be offline pretty soon. The UK goes into lockdown on Thursday and tonight is my last opportunity to have a band rehearsal before that.

[Jamiet99uk]

Has Maniac even confirmed that Bo and Seth are his top scumreads?

[Maniac]

Has Maniac even confirmed that Bo and Seth are his top scumreads?

I haven't confirmed or denied that. I'm a team player. I don't assume I know all the answers to this puzzle.

[dargorygel]

Has Maniac even confirmed that Bo and Seth are his top scumreads?

I haven't confirmed or denied that. I'm a team player. I don't assume I know all the answers to this puzzle.

Would you be willing, at the last minute, to vote YOUR topscumread? Thus not effecting discussion, but helping us understand your brain?

[Jamiet99uk]

Has Maniac even confirmed that Bo and Seth are his top scumreads?

I haven't confirmed or denied that. I'm a team player. I don't assume I know all the answers to this puzzle.

You are making the puzzle harder for the rest of us, and it's terrible play, not to mention borderline threatening to game throw. Fucking shit.