M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[ghug]

I was the last in your big code post to Flum.

[Donny Dude]

Votecount 3. late at night
Approx 15 hours to deadline.
seth24c --(4) bo_sox48, damo666, dargorygel, BunnyGo
bo_sox48 --(3) ghug, rdrivera2005, Macca573
kgray --(1) Chaqa
Chaqa --(1) kgray
Unvote --(1) Jamiet99uk
Maniac, Seth and Vecna have not voted yet.

[ghug]

Hi Maniac

[Maniac]

@Jamie - yes I was addressing Ghug

Ok then please would you answer the other part of my question?

I wasn’t urging Ghug to vote bo. I just want people to vote from my list. If Ghug was/is voting bo, I’m happy with that.

[Maniac]

@Maniac: Who are you going to vote for?

I don’t want town or scum to sheep me. This exercise is about trying to establish who town would want me to take with me. If I had a confident scum read I wouldn’t have started this exercise.

[Maniac]

Are we supposed to actually vote, maniac? Or is saying it enough.

Vote please

Why? Wouldn't your game still work if we simply state our choice from your options?

It’s a lot easier to track with actual votes. When I’m gone town are left with some data to work with rather than bits of info spread over several pages.

[ghug]

Do you have any reads is your own, Maniac?

[ghug]

Of

[Maniac]

@Maniac: If you are town, why would you want to be daykilled? Surely it is much better to target your top scumread with your power, and not announce this, and have us leave you alive? That way, scum will be taking a huge risk if they NK you.

How is your current proposal the optimal town play for your role?

(Please also answer my other questions, which you have so far failed to answer - including my question about how you didn't notice Ghug was voting for Bo).

Clearly I don’t want to be Daykilled. I’d accepted that was a good possibility, thanks in part to you being wrong. If my death happens I want it to a least help town by taking scum with me and/or leaving town with another vote to analyse.

[Maniac]

@bunny - your Seth vote is noted.

@ghug - yes I have reads of my own. My grasp on the game has been informed not only by the voting to date, but by people’s actions/non-actions.

[ghug]

Maybe it's all the Brits that don't understand me:

What are those reads?

[Maniac]

Maybe it's all the Brits that don't understand me:

What are those reads?

I understood you perfectly well. I just chose not to answer. I’ve given my reasons already, but you’re a smart guy, you could work it out anyway.

[Vecna]

The problem is, if Maniac is Scum Vengeful, how can we win without daykilling him at some point?

Perhaps it is therefore better to do it today than waiting until there are only a few town left?

I guess Vengeful is a pretty damn powerful role for Scum to have.

I think we’re kinda forced to daykill him.

If he’s town and we don’t, scum can kill him tonight.

If he’s scum and we don’t, he only gets more powerful as more of us die and a 1:1 scum trade gets better mathematically for mafia

no....youre forced to read him properly. If he's town, then its scum that are forced to kill him, which means his power gets progressively stronger for town.

Not that reading maniac is easy or whatever

[Vecna]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

I'm Vengeful

How do i verify this? Well you're all going to kill me today.

Before you do, you have to decide who I'm going to take with me.

So you must all now vote only for the following people

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

At EOD -27hrs, I'll remove 1 person from that list.
At EOD -26hrs, I'll remove another person from that list
At EOD -25hrs, I'll remove a third person from that list

The vote count at EOD -24hrs will determine who I take with me.

I will obviously be weighting the voting so if I think you're scum you're vote will count less than if I think you're solid town.

I won't be commenting on why I have selected these people. I don't want you all to repeat my thoughts back to me. Go out and make your own cases on these five people.

Many of you will say I've gone too early, perhaps, but some solid town reads have indicated that I'm high on their scum list. Mafia could have anywhere between 3-5 votes. They could so easily get me killed today, so I need (we need) a good town kill.

See you all at EOD - 27hrs.

@@Flum - obviously just vote for one of these. Don't sheep anyone.

This list sucks.

Myself, I think the entire list is town lol. Bunny/you are like on 75%, chaqa on 60%. This just further reinforces that going along with the maniac plan is bloody terrible and we just have to lynch scum today.

[Vecna]

There's something wonderfully poetic about Voyeur Vecna watching himself.

I know, right?

Anyways, scum likely tracked me last night, so they were going to think I was self-doctoring most likely and kill me tomorrow, so better I just share what I know.

I don't see much benefit to not telling us what else you know at this point.

Ive shared everything thats relevant. The rest is for after-game lol'ing and godthread trolling over me being terribad.

[Vecna]

im not ever going to be on the chopping block anyways.

I don't understand how your claims clear you in any way.

thats because youre scum and its inconvenient

[Vecna]

@ghug, sub-optimal or not. It's the only game in town. Town will make it's own mind up about you trying to scupper it.

just make up your own mind. This is just a distraction thatll cause a rushed lynch near deadline.

Were not booping you

[Vecna]

lol, replace one instance, miss the other, classic vecna

[Vecna]

##ProtestGM: Then as it is written the UB should ever gain powers. Nothing allows for them to get the “next” set of powers.

This is becoming very tedious indeed, Chaqa.

If you detest the setup and hold the GM in the contempt that you are displaying, I suggest you ask to sub out.

Otherwise you are clogging up the thread with an endless mechanics argument that is not helping anyone.

It’s absolutely astonishing to me that YOU of all people aren’t trying to get clarity on this.

its completely clear to everyone how it works.....

[Vecna]

Ah, thanks.

Town bo often lectures. Do you see any of his stuff as lecturey?

The only thing that I see that could be lecturey is his exchange with teacon about bozo not posting EON reads.

he sure tried to lecture us on how obviously wrong we were on HR.

such a knight of a certain colour