M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

wait, it doesnt work on nightkills? then claiming it was probably even more stupid.

Were not lynching maniac

No, apparently what happens is, during the Day phase, while they are still alive, the Vengeful picks a target. Then if, that day, the Vengeful is [hanged], then the target dies too.

So for example if Maniac picks you, and then we vote to kill Maniac, you would die as well.

My interpretation is the target dies whenever and however Vengeful is eliminated. Ie including NK

Yeah in that case Maniac's claim was really rather premature.

[damo666]

No, apparently what happens is, during the Day phase, while they are still alive, the Vengeful picks a target. Then if, that day, the Vengeful is [hanged], then the target dies too.

So for example if Maniac picks you, and then we vote to kill Maniac, you would die as well.

My interpretation is the target dies whenever and however Vengeful is eliminated. Ie including NK

Yeah in that case Maniac's claim was really rather premature.

If he is town it was probably a mistake.
You are probably right we should kill jic he is scum but it will be tragic it results in 2 town deaths.

Is there any scenario where Maniac could be lying? Scum team without Vengeful trying to trick a cc?

[dargorygel]

Alrighty.
First, @teacon (or maybe ABOUT teacon.) I was indeed crumbing Vendor. Until I began to suspect that he might have been crumbing MY role, I was suspicious that he was actually seeking/hunting PRs.

Regarding the FV role, I did not understand it to be a counter to all of the ‘watching’ roles. I have not played in a FV role game, that I remember, so I looked it up. And the advice I found was to give fruit to top town reads. I thought that later in the game, when town/scum alignment was more established, I could use it to give myself a clear.

So I sent fruit to my top town read (who also was not likely to die that night.) I had decided (and wrote to the GodThread) that if a townie received fruit, they would keep it to themselves. When damo announced his fruit, I thought my clever trap had caught a scum. But when I re-read damo, he seems as townie as I have ever seen him. So I began to doubt my plan. However, I did drop him a bit.

Regarding my insane time… understand that for diabetics, LBS is a serious thing. NOT that it drops me dead, but I become very separated from reality. My wife knows what to watch for, even though this bad of an event is very rare, and I texted her some crazy stuff. My point for explaining this again, is that while I am not ‘completely irrational’ in extreme LBS, I generally have no recollection of what I say/do in that state. Some time around page 96/97 things get hazy for me.

I also realize that faking this would be a fantastic tactic to avoid responsibility for crazy darg stuff. If that is what anyone thinks, I get it.

[dargorygel]

That being said,
@Jamie
You asked repeatedly about my vote switching. I do not recall ALL of it. But here is what I do recall. I was suspicious of Teacon. When I guessed that he was dropping crumbs for my role, he was my top vote. But then Maniac wrote a post that stuck in my mind. He gave a bunch of reasons on page 96 to vote for you.
@seth @ Ghug

Case against Jamie

Clear flum has picked up a strong tell
I think he knows Teacon will be a mis-kill
If he flips scum the Fruit Vender is likely town
If he flips scum teacon is clear
We can re-look at D1 voting
The thread is much more readable -

I can’t see any better candidates

So I switched to you… I was strongly townreading Maniac, and the FV comment made it helpful to me if the OPPOSITE were also true. i.e. if I, the FV, were town, might that mean Jamie is scum.

Later, my switch to HR is unclear. I was NOT liking his feel. If I had been coherent later, someone said (bo?) that we were killing HR for being HR. I probably would have realized this was true, and gone somewhere else at that point. But I don’t remember.

[dargorygel]

@Maniac
Interesting plan. But if we vote for the others on our list (and are WE supposed to give our reasons, even if you do not?) doesn't that mean that YOU will not die? So we cannot confirm your role, but you simply get to dictate/direct the choices of votes? Am I understanding this correctly?

[dargorygel]

also
I concur with Worcej/Donny's reaction to late posting. I know it is severe, and it turned out to be an anti-town event. But late posting has been becoming a big thing. Hopefully this will alertify us at EoD and EoN a bit better. Sorry to lose HB, and sorrier to lose teacon.

I laughed when I read that he was gladiator, after I pointed out that Andre the Giant would make a better Gladiator crumb, and he turned out to be the gladiator!)

[dargorygel]

My interpretation is the target dies whenever and however Vengeful is eliminated. Ie including NK

Yeah in that case Maniac's claim was really rather premature.

If he is town it was probably a mistake.
You are probably right we should kill jic he is scum but it will be tragic it results in 2 town deaths.

Is there any scenario where Maniac could be lying? Scum team without Vengeful trying to trick a cc?

Could be, yes? Also could be that he is simply scum.

I agree with Jamie, that this seems a bit premature. Comment, Maniac?

[Vecna]

I am not sure this is the right play Maniac, but let's do it.

##vote Chaqa

His exchange with Kgray and his reads evolution seems anything but town.

In fact I don't mind killing him today and let Maniac power for another day.

I mightve actually been wrong about Rdrivera. So little he says resonates this game. The only standout thing he's done has been to be upset about HR, but he'd probably do that as scum as well since its such an easy stance.

I can say the same about you. If you are really town and voted HR I will be disappointed.
And now that Chaqa start to get some traction you start to defend him. I can't see a universe were both Chaqa and Ghug are town.

As someone that always love to see logic in peoples playstyles, do you think Chaqa would attack a town Kgray in the way he has as scum?

[Vecna]

why did you ignore my reply damo

[worcej]

[snip]

GM Note:
Trying to code a message to allow flum to communicate is definitely against the spirit of the role.

[Maniac]

There is little point wasting time discussing if my reveal was premature. It's happened. Deal with it.

Someone asked if they should switch votes when I remove someone from the list. Yes.

Dargorygel asked why I'm not giving reasons why people are on my list.
If I said X is suspicious because of Y, then lazy scum will just repeat that back to me and vote X. That doesn't help you guys do VCA when I'm dead.

[TheMadMonarch]

[snip]

GM Note:
Trying to code a message to allow flum to communicate is definitely against the spirit of the role.

hehe... spirit...

[dargorygel]

There is little point wasting time discussing if my reveal was premature. It's happened. Deal with it.

Someone asked if they should switch votes when I remove someone from the list. Yes.

Dargorygel asked why I'm not giving reasons why people are on my list.
If I said X is suspicious because of Y, then lazy scum will just repeat that back to me and vote X. That doesn't help you guys do VCA when I'm dead.

I understand that. My question asks something different.

[dargorygel]

[snip]

GM Note:
Trying to code a message to allow flum to communicate is definitely against the spirit of the role.

hehe... spirit...

+1

[worcej]

wait, it doesnt work on nightkills? then claiming it was probably even more stupid.

Were not lynching maniac

Why you think it didn't work on nightkills? A night kill is an elimination I think.

Hmmmm.

##CALL GM:

1. If a Vengeful picks a target during Day X, and is then nightkilled by the Mafia on a later night (either the immediately following night, or a later one), does the Vengeful's target still die at that point?

2. If the answer to (1) would normally be "yes", does this change if the Vengeful is Roleblocked on the night of the NK?

3. If the answer to (1) is "yes" and someone dies at night due to the Vengeful, can that person's death be prevented by the Faith Healer's save?

1. As written, yes. As intended, no. But I'll stick to how I wrote it, so yes is the final answer.

2. No, a RB will not stop the execution.

3. Yes, a Faith Healer could prevent it.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM:

1. If a Vengeful picks a target during Day X, and is then nightkilled by the Mafia on a later night (either the immediately following night, or a later one), does the Vengeful's target still die at that point?

2. If the answer to (1) would normally be "yes", does this change if the Vengeful is Roleblocked on the night of the NK?

3. If the answer to (1) is "yes" and someone dies at night due to the Vengeful, can that person's death be prevented by the Faith Healer's save?

1. As written, yes. As intended, no. But I'll stick to how I wrote it, so yes is the final answer.

2. No, a RB will not stop the execution.

3. Yes, a Faith Healer could prevent it.

Ok GM, thanks.

[Vecna]

yeah ok, that just means we aint lynching maniac until lylo (and maybe not even then unless its like a 3way

[Vecna]

unless were actually scumreading him, but im definately not

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm happy lynching Chaqa, how about you, Veknar?

[dargorygel]

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