M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[TheMadMonarch]

If you have read EOD2, why don't you know why Maniac is getting votes?

I read it, but I was (and still am, albeit, less so) very tired, and didn't process all the information.

As to why I scumread you, it was probably the vibes. My reads are usually the vibes.

I envision you being straight out of Cheech and Chong with how much you talk about “the vibes”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gls09kO-8DE

[kgray]

You got worked up about ghug voting for you too.

Aside from Chaqa being annoying, what’s the case on him? I have a mild townread of him myself.

End of D1 he declares that Flum is scum if Jamie is town and vice versa. Flum flips town, and Chaqa "locks in" his scumread of Jamie. He never votes for Jamie D2, and I think it's because Jamie had a lot less pressure going into D2 and Chaqa didn't think that wagon would take off.

He decides to start scumreading me because of something *Jamie* said. Jamie, who Chaqa had previously had as locked-in scum.

There's the nonsense about how he was sure either HR or I was scum on D2, and of course he gives no reasons for either of those reads. He doesn't even vote for either of us until he can put in what he thinks is the tie-breaking vote to kill HR. HR flips town and now he's conveniently got another "locked-in" scumread on me.

His thought process lacks any indication of solving or hunting or trying to form reads. He's just going with people who are already suspicious and making blanket declarations about their scumminess.

[kgray]

Because otherwise he can do nothing for the rest of the day and use you three as an excuse for why he doesn't have to make other reads or push cases or contribute in any meaningful way to solving the game.

And? Water wet, sky blue, Chaqa coasting.

Are you always this worked up when people vote for you?

See, I knew that this little detail would get her all upset.

She's upset and worried not about the fact I'm voting for her (because she can't defend her scumminess), but the fact that I'm putting releasing my vote on other people, which means she has to convince *FOUR* people she isn't scummy, when we can all see she is.

She's deflecting and it's becsause I caught scum.

I don't care if they think I'm scummy. I care that they're fine with letting you not even pretend to solve the game.

[Chaqa]

And? Water wet, sky blue, Chaqa coasting.

Are you always this worked up when people vote for you?

See, I knew that this little detail would get her all upset.

She's upset and worried not about the fact I'm voting for her (because she can't defend her scumminess), but the fact that I'm putting releasing my vote on other people, which means she has to convince *FOUR* people she isn't scummy, when we can all see she is.

She's deflecting and it's becsause I caught scum.

I don't care if they think I'm scummy. I care that they're fine with letting you not even pretend to solve the game.

Not trying to pretend to solve?

I've got five people I'm solidly townreading (six if HB hadn't gotten himelf killed -_-) and a few ideas about scum:
1. You
2. Rivera (Maniac if Rivera)
3. Assumptive lurker scum type (Macca, Damo, Seth, etc.)

[kgray]

See, I knew that this little detail would get her all upset.

She's upset and worried not about the fact I'm voting for her (because she can't defend her scumminess), but the fact that I'm putting releasing my vote on other people, which means she has to convince *FOUR* people she isn't scummy, when we can all see she is.

She's deflecting and it's becsause I caught scum.

I don't care if they think I'm scummy. I care that they're fine with letting you not even pretend to solve the game.

Not trying to pretend to solve?

I've got five people I'm solidly townreading (six if HB hadn't gotten himelf killed -_-) and a few ideas about scum:
1. You
2. Rivera (Maniac if Rivera)
3. Assumptive lurker scum type (Macca, Damo, Seth, etc.)

You did not answer my question about how it makes sense for Maniac to be scum if Rivera is scum.

[Chaqa]

I don't care if they think I'm scummy. I care that they're fine with letting you not even pretend to solve the game.

Not trying to pretend to solve?

I've got five people I'm solidly townreading (six if HB hadn't gotten himelf killed -_-) and a few ideas about scum:
1. You
2. Rivera (Maniac if Rivera)
3. Assumptive lurker scum type (Macca, Damo, Seth, etc.)

You did not answer my question about how it makes sense for Maniac to be scum if Rivera is scum.

I explained it forever ago, but it's due to an interaction I found very curious between the two of them. I'll dig it up and review it later. Perhaps it will seem innocuous on a further review.

[ghug]

@Vecna, what possessed you to make your little semiclaim?

@@Flum, top few scumreads, five Jamie votes, top few townreads, five Jamie votes, please.

@kgray, wouldn't I be giving Chaqa more cover for an action if I told him not to sheep you?

@bo you're actually the worst

[Maniac]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

I'm Vengeful

How do i verify this? Well you're all going to kill me today.

Before you do, you have to decide who I'm going to take with me.

So you must all now vote only for the following people

Vecna
Chaqa
Bunny
Ghug
Seth

At EOD -27hrs, I'll remove 1 person from that list.
At EOD -26hrs, I'll remove another person from that list
At EOD -25hrs, I'll remove a third person from that list

The vote count at EOD -24hrs will determine who I take with me.

I will obviously be weighting the voting so if I think you're scum you're vote will count less than if I think you're solid town.

I won't be commenting on why I have selected these people. I don't want you all to repeat my thoughts back to me. Go out and make your own cases on these five people.

Many of you will say I've gone too early, perhaps, but some solid town reads have indicated that I'm high on their scum list. Mafia could have anywhere between 3-5 votes. They could so easily get me killed today, so I need (we need) a good town kill.

See you all at EOD - 27hrs.

@@Flum - obviously just vote for one of these. Don't sheep anyone.

[Maniac]

Almost forgot. No one is to claim their role before EOD -24hrs.

[TheMadMonarch]

Bold claim, but this seems fun.

##VOTE ghug

[damo666]

hmm...unless Vecna scum and scum have a healer?

Another option is town shot at town!vecna...

Is it possible town killed teacon and scum tried to kill Vecna?

I'm taking on faith that Vecna was saved since a healer would know he saved him. That said...there are 2 healers, and they might EACH think the other saved him...

That'd be tricky...

You think the healers don't know who they visited?

I think healers don't know who the other healer visited. So if Vecna claims a healer visited him, then Healer A would assume that Healer B did the visit and Healer B would assume that Healer A did the visit.

Try again Bunny

[damo666]

You think the healers don't know who they visited?

I think healers don't know who the other healer visited. So if Vecna claims a healer visited him, then Healer A would assume that Healer B did the visit and Healer B would assume that Healer A did the visit.

Try again Bunny

It's ok. You should have specified "assuming fakeclaim". No worries.

[damo666]

Flum now has three different sets of instructions.

It should be clear which set he is following when he posts but PLEASE no more!

[damo666]

@Maniac

##vote Seth

If you remove a vote target I guess we revote. Eg if you remove seth should I vote from whoever's remains on the list? What if one townreads everyone on your list?

Unsure if you are smart town or manipulating scum but hey ho.

[rdrivera2005]

I am not sure this is the right play Maniac, but let's do it.

##vote Chaqa

His exchange with Kgray and his reads evolution seems anything but town.

In fact I don't mind killing him today and let Maniac power for another day.

[Vecna]

I like kgray's pushing me all night, but the fact that she was happy to kill a townread over a non townread gives me pause, and the relatively low quantity of townreads she has given also gives me pause.

I keep waffling on Jamie.

Bo sucks a lot.

Bo is also probably scum.

I'm liking rd a lot more, though it may just be because he's also annoyed about the HR kill, which is probably easy to fake.

Vecna's extreme hesitance to vote looks bad if darg is scum and probably good otherwise.

Teacon is frustrating town.

Extreme hesitance to vote late? My vote was on Kgray, which was a realistic wagon for quite a long part of the day. Ive also stated before id be fine with a darg wagon.

My choice between darg and HR was probably a tragically bad choice in hindsight (especially considering I knew what I knew....the god QT is probably mocking me quite badly right now). Ill own that. Ill explain my thoughts later on it, but its not that important since im not ever going to be on the chopping block anyways.

[Vecna]

Oh also Vecna hasn't been doing his catch-up posts.

what the fuck?

[damo666]

I am not sure this is the right play Maniac, but let's do it.

##vote Chaqa

His exchange with Kgray and his reads evolution seems anything but town.

In fact I don't mind killing him today and let Maniac power for another day.

If we think Maniac is town obviously we won't vote him. If we think his vengeful choice is scum obviously we don't vote that person either as then scum presumably wouldn't NK maniac

[Vecna]

N2 Flavor:
The game continues on through the night. The video cameras watch all the active players as the hunters make their way to their kill. They find a lone gladiator off in the distance, looking confused. The hunters pounce and he is taken care of swiftly.

teacon7 HAS DIED. HE WAS THE TOWN 1-Shot Gladiator!

The radio channels for the film crew light up. They detect a rules violation after the contestants were given firm warnings. The Mastermind sighs and tells his crew to deal with the rule breaker.

Hamilton Brian HAS DIED. HE HAS BEEN MOD-KILLED FOR RULE VIOLATING AFTER A FINAL WARNING WAS ISSUED. He was the Town 2-Shot Neighborizer.

Day 3 has begun. You may now post.

man, I did see it yesterday while drinking, but this is really ridiculous. It does not impact the game at all, just 2 mins late, was not intentional at all, yet it completely fucks us in the ass

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote kgray

This vote is unlikely to change. I will only change it if all three of ghug, bo_sox, and Jamiet agree I should (though they don't have to agree to change it to the same person).

Chaqa, you need to be accountable for your vote. I am not going to let you dodge your responsibility. You should vote for your top scumread or, if that wagon is not viable at EoD, your pick of scummiest person in the top wagons. You should always do this. I shall now resign from your stupid committee.