M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[bo_sox48]

##CALL GM - for those whose national clocks aren't based on insanely outdated principles, how is daylight savings going to affect the end of the night time?

[Jamiet99uk]

I’m voting kgray tomorrow and no one else unless something really damning comes out

You said a similar thing yesterday about voting for me and only me.

Why do you keep making these big dramatic pronouncements?

[kgray]

Shit! That doesn't make me look good. Why wouldn't they have claimed?

I don't think scum says this...

[bo_sox48]

I do not recall any explanation by seth or HB, and neither were present at EOD.

Kind of irrelevant where you're getting your information, but I was here.

I had thought your lack of a reply to my question meant you weren't paying attention. My bad.

Why were you considering Maniac with 1 minute to go when the vote had already been decided and you were on the leading wagon?

[ghug]

RIP HR.

flashwagons, especially on absent players, seems like a bad plan in general. less bad in this setup, where roles are mostly NAI, but still.

idk if the fruit vendor is town or not. I think darg seems town. Why would a scum FV visit damo?

VCA is gonna be great.

why and how did that flashwagon start? it obviously wasn't to protect HR. flum was on kgray the whole time. So look at the bot and see who else was up for "election."

the gut feeling I was getting is that ghug/kgray didn't want one of Maniac/kgray to take off. HR contributed to that, but that could easily have been self defense.

I very much wanted kgray to take off, and made pretty clear with my posting that I would vote for Maniac over HR if it came down to it, so I don't find this characterization fair. I agree that kgray's vote for darg when it didn't make the wagon bigger than Maniac's was a bit odd, but I think it would be more damning if HR had flipped scum.

Don't particularly like bo and Chaqa immediately coming out with such sure conclusions right after the flip.

It's pretty damn weird that you find the wagon that caused a bunch of people to vote for a townie when it sprang up more problematic than the wagon on that townie.

[Maniac]

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For the second day in a row, Maniac voted for someone who he did not scumread or make any effort to suss out, and he waited until the last moment to cast his vote after the tie had been broken. I don’t see any reason I would die tonight, so I’ll be opening tomorrow, again, with a vote on Maniac and I think yall should check him out.

I like to make sure my vote counts rather than it being wasted. When double voters are playing and could be scum we have to make sure that isn't used to force a tie or save someone

[Jamiet99uk]

the gut feeling I was getting is that ghug/kgray didn't want one of Maniac/kgray to take off. HR contributed to that, but that could easily have been self defense.

Gee, I wonder why Kgray wouldn't want a Kgray wagon to take off.

[bo_sox48]

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For the second day in a row, Maniac voted for someone who he did not scumread or make any effort to suss out, and he waited until the last moment to cast his vote after the tie had been broken. I don’t see any reason I would die tonight, so I’ll be opening tomorrow, again, with a vote on Maniac and I think yall should check him out.

I like to make sure my vote counts rather than it being wasted. When double voters are playing and could be scum we have to make sure that isn't used to force a tie or save someone

Exactly. Why are you waiting until seconds to go to make your vote count instead of participating in the EOD if you're here and so attentive?

[Jamiet99uk]

Final Vote Count:
Hellenic Riot (7) Jamiet99uk, seth24c, Hamilton Brian, dargorygel, Vecna, Maniac, Chaqa
dargorygel (4) BunnyGo, Hellenic Riot, ghug, kgray
Maniac (3) bo_sox48, teacon7, rdrivera2005
teacon7 (2) damo666, The Double Vote
kgray (1) Flum

Interesting to note that the Double Vote was on Teacon.

[kgray]

why and how did that flashwagon start? it obviously wasn't to protect HR.

I don't think this is entirely accurate. I joined darg because I preferred him to HR so I was protecting HR in a way, and I'm pretty sure the same can be said for ghug.

[kgray]

I’m voting kgray tomorrow and no one else unless something really damning comes out

You said a similar thing yesterday about voting for me and only me.

Why do you keep making these big dramatic pronouncements?

lmao I thought the same thing

[worcej]

##CALL GM - for those whose national clocks aren't based on insanely outdated principles, how is daylight savings going to affect the end of the night time?

Is that crap tomorrow? God I hate it...

It will move the deadline back another hour. It will still be 2:00 PM, but it will now be PDT right?

[ghug]

##CALL GM - for those whose national clocks aren't based on insanely outdated principles, how is daylight savings going to affect the end of the night time?

I would wager that rd is the only player in this game who doesn't live in such a backwards country.

[Maniac]

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For the second day in a row, Maniac voted for someone who he did not scumread or make any effort to suss out, and he waited until the last moment to cast his vote after the tie had been broken. I don’t see any reason I would die tonight, so I’ll be opening tomorrow, again, with a vote on Maniac and I think yall should check him out.

I like to make sure my vote counts rather than it being wasted. When double voters are playing and could be scum we have to make sure that isn't used to force a tie or save someone

Exactly. Why are you waiting until seconds to go to make your vote count instead of participating in the EOD if you're here and so attentive?

I would have preferred Jamie obviously and wanted to give that every opportunity to fly. If a very late wagon on someone who i scum read had have materialized, I wouldn't jumped there. As it was hammering down HR's coffin to ensure no ties seemed like best option.

[ghug]

##CALL GM - for those whose national clocks aren't based on insanely outdated principles, how is daylight savings going to affect the end of the night time?

Is that crap tomorrow? God I hate it...

It will move the deadline back another hour. It will still be 2:00 PM, but it will now be PDT right?

PST, actually.

I think the bot has a daylight time setting that may need futzing with.

[ghug]

I just want to point out that if we'd killed Jamie D1 instead of a competent townie, he wouldn't have been around to lead a kill on another competent townie D2.

[Jamiet99uk]

I like to make sure my vote counts rather than it being wasted. When double voters are playing and could be scum we have to make sure that isn't used to force a tie or save someone

Exactly. Why are you waiting until seconds to go to make your vote count instead of participating in the EOD if you're here and so attentive?

I would have preferred Jamie obviously and wanted to give that every opportunity to fly. If a very late wagon on someone who i scum read had have materialized, I wouldn't jumped there. As it was hammering down HR's coffin to ensure no ties seemed like best option.

You sat silently watching in the hope that people would vote for me, instead of actively pushing me as EoD approached?

And if a late wagon had emerged on one of your scumreads, you..... "wouldn't".... have joined it....

O...kay.

[Jamiet99uk]

I just want to point out that if we'd killed Jamie D1 instead of a competent townie, he wouldn't have been around to lead a kill on another competent townie D2.

I'd like to point out that you can fuck off.

[teacon7]

I very much wanted kgray to take off, and made pretty clear with my posting that I would vote for Maniac over HR if it came down to it, so I don't find this characterization fair. I agree that kgray's vote for darg when it didn't make the wagon bigger than Maniac's was a bit odd, but I think it would be more damning if HR had flipped scum.

It wasn't at all clear that the choice was "flashwagon to darg" or "everyone move to HR." Why didn't you move to Maniac then?

Do you think it's likely that kgray is scum with Maniac?

Don't particularly like bo and Chaqa immediately coming out with such sure conclusions right after the flip.

Agree.

It's pretty damn weird that you find the wagon that caused a bunch of people to vote for a townie when it sprang up more problematic than the wagon on that townie.

Did I tell people to move to HR?

The darg wagon did not cause people to vote for HR. Revealing the crumb might have caused them to leave darg, but they could have gone wherever else they wanted. I was on Maniac the whole time. It looks like he, or kgray, was being protected.

Do you know more about darg's alignment than we do? Please explain your question...

My problem with the darg wagon was that he wasn't around to defend himself, that it was being stoked late (like, the last 15 minutes late), and that he'd crumbed FV.

[teacon7]

I just want to point out that if we'd killed Jamie D1 instead of a competent townie, he wouldn't have been around to lead a kill on another competent townie D2.

While the backhanded ad hominem is cute, let's clear this up.

At EoD2

...who was leading kills on whom?

I don't recall jamiet, whatever his alignment was, pushing for people to move to an absent player.