M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[ghug]

I’d consider kgray. But not Jamie. What’s the case on kgray? Would you consider joining me on darg?

She had very open concoctions and pushed them strongly in our last game, when she was town. I'm seeing none of that here.

I would be open to killing darg as well.

I think it's extremely unlikely that Darg & kgray are scum together, though, given Darg admitted his vote on me is 'sheeping kgray' (which is even odder when kgray isn't scumreading or voting me).

This is likely true, but we're at the point in the game where I prefer to off people with a good chance at flipping scum and then work backwards once we've caught one.

[bo_sox48]

Lots of noise. This day is feeling pretty conflicted. Makes me think of Mr. Rogers. "... my mother would say to me, 'Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.'”

Do you plan on helping?

[ghug]

Kgray also cast a pretty important vote on Flum over Jamie without great reasoning, which I think is scummy whether it was protecting a scum Jamie or trying to kill a better town player over a worse one. I had a similar preference for Vecna in a TvT last game.

Nobody seemed interested in teacon and I had a stronger townread of Jamie than Flum. I have already said this. If you scumread everyone who breaks a tie then there will be nobody left for your townpool.

Not everyone, just you.

[Hellenic Riot]

Still waiting on Darg to explain just how he's sheeping kgray there, anyway

[bo_sox48]

So, give me a good reason to vote Maniac. I don't like HR wagon, the people on it are scummy one way or another.

My scumread on Maniac is based on the fact that I don't like his explanations for a lot of his reads/votes and he's been consistently avoiding answering questions directed at him. The "we have to policy kill Rivera" stance is not something I understand or agree with, and the thing about voting for Jamie because of a "scumslip" was so, so terrible. He didn't bother going back to rethink things after it was pointed out that he misinterpreted what was happening, which is the worst part imo.

Damo got a pass until D3, so ##vote Maniac

I probably won't be around at EOD, I have a tennis game at the same time and I will be leaving to club 15 minutes to EOD, might be able to check before game start butv can't count on it.

Why Maniac?

[kgray]

She had very open concoctions and pushed them strongly in our last game, when she was town. I'm seeing none of that here.

I would be open to killing darg as well.

I have never been as sure that I'd caught scum as I was with summit last game, and I probably never will be again during the early phases of a game. If you're looking for that level of conviction then you're going to be disappointed.

You showed similar conviction when we wrongly killed Vecna. You were pretty forceful when you started to suspect me and Durga and Nanook.

We had already flipped scum at that point, and Vecna had interactions with summit that were suspicious. And that was at the end of the game after we had tons more info. It's totally unreasonable to compare reads on D1/D2 before seeing any confirmed scum to those in the late game.

[ghug]

What doesn't come out of nowhere? You and ghug breaking up? You two were so good together.

I'm not sure why people get so upset when people don't read what they say. It's not as if anyone is going to act on your rationale as opposed to their own anyway. I've read like 6 pages of this game total and you still townread me, and you're right do so, so evidently it's unnecessary.

You called my distancing from ghug convenient. However, it has been gradually happening as our reads have diverged, especially on you and Jamie. So I'm not suddenly "breaking up with" ghug as you seem to be implying.

Your reads being the same was never a reasonable motive for walking hand in hand with him and lauding him with praise for the first 72 hours of this game.

This is potshotty bo again. He's just throwing shade rather than actually drawing conclusions.

I think I'm the last person Chaqa tries to buddy if he's scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

For what reason? I though you had stopped tunnelling me. Now what I have I done?

@Ghug: You never answered this. Why did you put your vote back on me?

Also, nice to see you are actually around for EoD

[Jamiet99uk]

Dargorygel is being very weird today.

[ghug]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

For what reason? I though you had stopped tunnelling me. Now what I have I done?

@Ghug: You never answered this. Why did you put your vote back on me?

Also, nice to see you are actually around for EoD

I answered it in a response to Chaqa. Flum gave a 4/5 and I decided your decidedly unsubtle hinting at being a PR wasn't a good reason to townread you in this setup after all.

My plans shifted a little because there were no more waffles.

[Chaqa]

What doesn't come out of nowhere? You and ghug breaking up? You two were so good together.

I'm not sure why people get so upset when people don't read what they say. It's not as if anyone is going to act on your rationale as opposed to their own anyway. I've read like 6 pages of this game total and you still townread me, and you're right do so, so evidently it's unnecessary.

You called my distancing from ghug convenient. However, it has been gradually happening as our reads have diverged, especially on you and Jamie. So I'm not suddenly "breaking up with" ghug as you seem to be implying.

Your reads being the same was never a reasonable motive for walking hand in hand with him and lauding him with praise for the first 72 hours of this game.

That's fair.

[ghug]

I have never been as sure that I'd caught scum as I was with summit last game, and I probably never will be again during the early phases of a game. If you're looking for that level of conviction then you're going to be disappointed.

You showed similar conviction when we wrongly killed Vecna. You were pretty forceful when you started to suspect me and Durga and Nanook.

We had already flipped scum at that point, and Vecna had interactions with summit that were suspicious. And that was at the end of the game after we had tons more info. It's totally unreasonable to compare reads on D1/D2 before seeing any confirmed scum to those in the late game.

This is a fair point.

##VOTE kgray

[kgray]

You showed similar conviction when we wrongly killed Vecna. You were pretty forceful when you started to suspect me and Durga and Nanook.

We had already flipped scum at that point, and Vecna had interactions with summit that were suspicious. And that was at the end of the game after we had tons more info. It's totally unreasonable to compare reads on D1/D2 before seeing any confirmed scum to those in the late game.

This is a fair point.

##VOTE kgray

That's rude.

[ghug]

We had already flipped scum at that point, and Vecna had interactions with summit that were suspicious. And that was at the end of the game after we had tons more info. It's totally unreasonable to compare reads on D1/D2 before seeing any confirmed scum to those in the late game.

This is a fair point.

##VOTE kgray

That's rude.

Have you ever been miskilled before?

[Chaqa]

You called my distancing from ghug convenient. However, it has been gradually happening as our reads have diverged, especially on you and Jamie. So I'm not suddenly "breaking up with" ghug as you seem to be implying.

Your reads being the same was never a reasonable motive for walking hand in hand with him and lauding him with praise for the first 72 hours of this game.

This is potshotty bo again. He's just throwing shade rather than actually drawing conclusions.

I think I'm the last person Chaqa tries to buddy if he's scum.

I think all three of us are town, TBH

[kgray]

Like are you actually scum again and just doing everything you can to get away from how much you buddied me last game?

[kgray]

This is a fair point.

##VOTE kgray

That's rude.

Have you ever been miskilled before?

Yeah in KYLO my first game

[bo_sox48]

You called my distancing from ghug convenient. However, it has been gradually happening as our reads have diverged, especially on you and Jamie. So I'm not suddenly "breaking up with" ghug as you seem to be implying.

Your reads being the same was never a reasonable motive for walking hand in hand with him and lauding him with praise for the first 72 hours of this game.

That's fair.

So why did you?

[ghug]

That's rude.

Have you ever been miskilled before?

Yeah in KYLO my first game

Meh, that's probably too different to be useful.

[kgray]

Have you ever been miskilled before?

Yeah in KYLO my first game

Meh, that's probably too different to be useful.

Yeah I don't think I've ever been a competing wagon since that game as either alignment