M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[ghug]

"Understands my concerns" - when I hadn't given any concerns - sure does seem like agreement

He was clearly saying that he had his own concerns, so he understood having concerns.

Someone that can read a simple text. Thanks.

#spokesghug

[dargorygel]

@darg - what do you think of ghug right now?

also, why is maniac on your list?

I was not saying you were voting HR.
Replace "Maniac" with "ghug"

In my phone on a tractor. Sigh

Ghug is hopping all over. I doubt somewhat the "show theory" but mostly because I am town reading bo.

[rdrivera2005]

damo said he'd be low-activity until Tuesday

True. But this warrant him a free pass?

No, I just don't think it should be the main reason to vote for him.

So, give me a good reason to vote Maniac. I don't like HR wagon, the people on it are scummy one way or another.

[Hamilton Brian]

And I don't fully agree with this reasoning, policy lynches could be a great way for scum to hide and get a misskill.

I feel like you're saying, "Don't do it just because it can be done." Is that what you're saying? I think I'd agree, and it doesn't look all that well on Maniac for even suggesting it. We don't want obvious mis-kills. We need the mafia killed.

[dargorygel]

@Dargorygel, you were on to something about getting players to leave a vote. You'll "splain later." You decided that you were on the wrong track of that, correct?

I explained, but found it was not yet useful

[Hellenic Riot]

I don't have enough scumreads. Someone do something scummy.

I can relate.
Jamie"s reaction to being one of the wagons us to work on his PhD. That looks townie to me. I could vote for teacon again, or Maniac or HR. (Bozo too, but it for "replacement logic" and omgus.) Sheeping kgray(I like her cases) though, and going to HR. He and Maniac are at the same radar level.

##vote Hellenic Riot

Now who will jump?

kgray... Isn't even scumreading me?

[Hamilton Brian]

I explained, but found it was not yet useful

OK, thanks. Tuck that away for later.

[rdrivera2005]

And I don't fully agree with this reasoning, policy lynches could be a great way for scum to hide and get a misskill.

I feel like you're saying, "Don't do it just because it can be done." Is that what you're saying? I think I'd agree, and it doesn't look all that well on Maniac for even suggesting it. We don't want obvious mis-kills. We need the mafia killed.

Exactly. Do it if enough people scumread and vote me in a regular voting, not as a policy. Because then people can be held accountable when I flip.

[dargorygel]

@Dargorygel, you were on to something about getting players to leave a vote. You'll "splain later." You decided that you were on the wrong track of that, correct?

I explained, but found it was not yet useful

[Hamilton Brian]

That might be enough for me to hop from HR to Maniac, but people have been pushing out hopped-up mechanical/theory plays all game and not getting punished for it. Well, maybe Flum.

[teacon7]

Ghug:

I don't know what Flum sees, but I trust that he sees something.

Also ghug:

I'm very against sheeping townclears as a rule. I'm torn here because I tend to trust Flum's ability to find tells, and I found it compelling support for my tunnel, but I also don't want to be like "sheep the townclear", and Jamie's been less scummy today.

I think it's entirely possible scum Jamie tried to break the setup for towncred, suspecting that his plan would be shut down to prevent ruining the game.

hm. does jamie nitpick about rules a lot still? or is that only 10-20 games ago?

What's the inconsistency here?

Idk if it is. It feels like you're sheeping him, but you're not sheeping him. So either you're hedging about why you're following the townclear's vote, or you really are against sheeping townclears, but see the same thing flum does.

What's jamie's tell? let's consider that.

[teacon7]

@Dargorygel, you were on to something about getting players to leave a vote. You'll "splain later." You decided that you were on the wrong track of that, correct?

That was D1, before and after the doublevoter got his/her power. But then we learned that the double vote doesn't show up until the EoD, so it doesn't matter.

It does imply that darg doesn't know who the doublevoter is.

[teacon7]

I don't understand why, given the role RDR has, it dooms them to be Dkilled. Maniac alluded to it being a "team" thing for RDR to expect.

Why?

It's a meta thing, not a role thing. the logic goes like this:
rdriv has demonstrate that he is a good player.
if he's town, he tends to get NK'd because scum fears him.
if he doesn't get NK'd, there's a nagging suspicion that this is because scum to not NK their own.

It's a tough place to be, because it means he's the target of fearkills from town or from scum. You don't have to agree with the assessment of rdriv, or the logic, to agree that some people do think this way.

I don't think this is what Maniac meant. I will never be NKed with so many PRs around and at some point it will probably makes sense to DK me instead of a more valuable PR if we both are in the block. He even said that it's valid unless I obvtowned so hard that this isn't needed.
And I don't fully agree with this reasoning, policy lynches could be a great way for scum to hide and get a misskill.

fair enough rdriv.

I've love to see more from you right now. let's see some more from you.

If you were gladiator and had to activate right now, who would you pick?

[teacon7]

@darg - what do you think of ghug right now?

also, why is maniac on your list?

I was not saying you were voting HR.
Replace "Maniac" with "ghug"

In my phone on a tractor. Sigh

Ghug is hopping all over. I doubt somewhat the "show theory" but mostly because I am town reading bo.

with apologies, your post makes no sense to me. What's the "show theory" ?

[kgray]

True. But this warrant him a free pass?

No, I just don't think it should be the main reason to vote for him.

So, give me a good reason to vote Maniac. I don't like HR wagon, the people on it are scummy one way or another.

My scumread on Maniac is based on the fact that I don't like his explanations for a lot of his reads/votes and he's been consistently avoiding answering questions directed at him. The "we have to policy kill Rivera" stance is not something I understand or agree with, and the thing about voting for Jamie because of a "scumslip" was so, so terrible. He didn't bother going back to rethink things after it was pointed out that he misinterpreted what was happening, which is the worst part imo.

[kgray]

@darg - what do you think of ghug right now?

also, why is maniac on your list?

I was not saying you were voting HR.
Replace "Maniac" with "ghug"

In my phone on a tractor. Sigh

Ghug is hopping all over. I doubt somewhat the "show theory" but mostly because I am town reading bo.

with apologies, your post makes no sense to me. What's the "show theory" ?

I think he's referring to his earlier theory that ghug and bo are scum putting on a show.

[Hamilton Brian]

Speaking of Flum, the vote record runs like this.
1st vote was from kgray, but I think it was part joke, part placeholder.
Ghug next, from Jamie to Flum.
Jamie from Ghug to Flum.
Ghug then went from Flum back to Jamie.
Jamie pulled the vote off at 22:47.
Kgray went from Flum to Teacon.
Bunny gets on Flum with 7 hours left.
Jamie from Chaqa to Flum with 6:15 to go.
Dargorygel from Chaqa to Flum with 6:02 left.
Damo to Flum to make it 4 Flum with 5:16 left.

I pop in with 34 minutes to go, put a vote on Jamie, to make it a 4-4 tie.

Kgray from Teacon to Flum with 9 minutes remaining (breaks the tie)
Seth to FLum with 6 minutes remaining. First and only vote for Seth...(ensures the tie is broken)

Maniac from Bo to Flum with 4 minutes
Teacon from RDR to Flum with 3 minutes.

With 2 minutes to go, Flum claims. I am not sure what was happening that caused players to miss it...was there a discrepancy between end of day and real time? In any case, no one moved. Wait, there is a 2 or 3 minute delay with the bot, right?

I'll go back and re-read because I am sure you have mentioned it, but @Teacon and @Maniac, why'd you feel the need to hop on to the Flum Wagon when it was already 6 to whatever?

[BunnyGo]

True. But this warrant him a free pass?

No, I just don't think it should be the main reason to vote for him.

So, give me a good reason to vote Maniac. I don't like HR wagon, the people on it are scummy one way or another.

This is exactly what I was coming to post. This may be my last chance to check in before EOD. For now I’m happy on darg. Come join.

I think Jamie is town. I think the HR wagon is scummy. I don’t have a good idea what the maniac vote is about. But if I had to pick those 3, I’d pick maniac. I’d rather people join me.

[dargorygel]

@darg - what do you think of ghug right now?

also, why is maniac on your list?

I was not saying you were voting HR.
Replace "Maniac" with "ghug"

In my phone on a tractor. Sigh

Ghug is hopping all over. I doubt somewhat the "show theory" but mostly because I am town reading bo.

with apologies, your post makes no sense to me. What's the "show theory" ?

"The show" refers to the dialogue between bo and ghug that appeared faked.

[BunnyGo]

Just saw some recent posts about why people are voting maniac. It’s ok. I’d still rather Maniac and Darg be the wagons. See you later.