M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Hellenic Riot]

Well, now that the HR wagon will probably fizzle out, probably good to let that one ride out and develop something else.

My scum reads are crap right now. Could sheep Vecna, what with all the catching up they did earlier on today, but I'm not entirely sold on their process. Even they reconsidered votes.

Why were you on me in the first place if you thought it would fizzle out the second I actually wrote... Anything?

@HR: is pressure-voting absentees to come back and play not a thing anymore?

@HB: you said "now that the HR wagon will fizzle out" ... are you only going to vote on wagons that end up in top tier?

HB didn't pressure-vote me. He apparently voted me because I hadn't answered a question without having any other reason to scumread me though.

[Hamilton Brian]

@HR: is pressure-voting absentees to come back and play not a thing anymore?

@HB: you said "now that the HR wagon will fizzle out" ... are you only going to vote on wagons that end up in top tier?

Depends on my level of conviction, but I think hanging on a vanity, especially when there's a tie, isn't looked on favourably.

And the HR wagon might not fizzle out and I might stay on it. Doing the Maniac ISO right now to see if that's a better place to land.

[teacon7]

Teacon, are you still pretty strong on your Maniac vote? Anything else besides their "smooth as butter" reply to you?

I don't have many strong reads at present. Maniac doesn't seemed hedgy and distant.

I still think rdr should be in the running, but i'm less confident in that now than I was before.

[teacon7]

I don't have enough scumreads. Someone do something scummy.

[Hamilton Brian]

I don't understand why, given the role RDR has, it dooms them to be Dkilled. Maniac alluded to it being a "team" thing for RDR to expect.

Why?

[teacon7]

Ghug:

I don't know what Flum sees, but I trust that he sees something.

Also ghug:

I'm very against sheeping townclears as a rule. I'm torn here because I tend to trust Flum's ability to find tells, and I found it compelling support for my tunnel, but I also don't want to be like "sheep the townclear", and Jamie's been less scummy today.

I think it's entirely possible scum Jamie tried to break the setup for towncred, suspecting that his plan would be shut down to prevent ruining the game.

hm. does jamie nitpick about rules a lot still? or is that only 10-20 games ago?

[rdrivera2005]

Very sketchy of Rdrivera trying to re-write history here and claiming he never said he agreed with HR's concerns on Kgray, when you can see that's exactly what he said.

I have concerns about Kgray not obvtowning. I never said he gave reasons and called it a naked vote.

[dargorygel]

I don't have enough scumreads. Someone do something scummy.

I can relate.
Jamie"s reaction to being one of the wagons us to work on his PhD. That looks townie to me. I could vote for teacon again, or Maniac or HR. (Bozo too, but it for "replacement logic" and omgus.) Sheeping kgray(I like her cases) though, and going to HR. He and Maniac are at the same radar level.

##vote Hellenic Riot

Now who will jump?

[teacon7]

I don't understand why, given the role RDR has, it dooms them to be Dkilled. Maniac alluded to it being a "team" thing for RDR to expect.

Why?

It's a meta thing, not a role thing. the logic goes like this:
rdriv has demonstrate that he is a good player.
if he's town, he tends to get NK'd because scum fears him.
if he doesn't get NK'd, there's a nagging suspicion that this is because scum to not NK their own.

It's a tough place to be, because it means he's the target of fearkills from town or from scum. You don't have to agree with the assessment of rdriv, or the logic, to agree that some people do think this way.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

My warm and fuzzies are starting to recede. I was starting to feel much better about Jamie :/

What about this post by Ghug makes you change your mind about me? He doesn't give a reason for going back to voting me. Is Rdrivera your supplier? You both seem to be smoking the same stuff.

I don't think I have smoked weed on the last two decades (sometimes I miss it) and I quited smoking when my daughter was born 12 years ago, so no, I am not a supplier.

[kgray]

I don't have enough scumreads. Someone do something scummy.

I can relate.
Jamie"s reaction to being one of the wagons us to work on his PhD. That looks townie to me. I could vote for teacon again, or Maniac or HR. (Bozo too, but it for "replacement logic" and omgus.) Sheeping kgray(I like her cases) though, and going to HR. He and Maniac are at the same radar level.

##vote Hellenic Riot

Now who will jump?

Sorry what? I am not voting for HR.

[teacon7]

@darg - what do you think of ghug right now?

also, why is maniac on your list?

[rdrivera2005]

By the way, ##vote Damo - He is coasting and was eager to jump in the lead wagon with a poor reason.

damo said he'd be low-activity until Tuesday

True. But this warrant him a free pass?

[rdrivera2005]

I never agreed with your reasons to vote Kgray because you didn't gave any. I even called it a naje vote. So WTF are you talking about?

And wasn't defending ysou either, I think your play is detrimental to town, just not sure it's scum.

By the way, ##vote Damo - He is coasting and was eager to jump in the lead wagon with a poor reason.

I don't think this is scummy from HR. And I understand his concerns with Kgray, I am not feeling the obvtown vibes she usually gave when she is town. Plus, she is my top choice for a recruit....

"Understands my concerns" - when I hadn't given any concerns - sure does seem like agreement

He was clearly saying that he had his own concerns, so he understood having concerns.

Someone that can read a simple text. Thanks.

[kgray]

By the way, ##vote Damo - He is coasting and was eager to jump in the lead wagon with a poor reason.

damo said he'd be low-activity until Tuesday

True. But this warrant him a free pass?

No, I just don't think it should be the main reason to vote for him.

[ghug]

Ghug:

I don't know what Flum sees, but I trust that he sees something.

Also ghug:

I'm very against sheeping townclears as a rule. I'm torn here because I tend to trust Flum's ability to find tells, and I found it compelling support for my tunnel, but I also don't want to be like "sheep the townclear", and Jamie's been less scummy today.

I think it's entirely possible scum Jamie tried to break the setup for towncred, suspecting that his plan would be shut down to prevent ruining the game.

hm. does jamie nitpick about rules a lot still? or is that only 10-20 games ago?

What's the inconsistency here?

[Hamilton Brian]

As of right now it's either going to be an HR kill or not.

Reads aren't great, and I don't think anyone is making any compelling argument that stands out.

I need a new radio. I feel like I can't get the antenna dialed into anything clear here.

What if we went back to the Flum wagon from D1 and pulled that apart?

[ghug]

I don't have enough scumreads. Someone do something scummy.

I can relate.
Jamie"s reaction to being one of the wagons us to work on his PhD. That looks townie to me. I could vote for teacon again, or Maniac or HR. (Bozo too, but it for "replacement logic" and omgus.) Sheeping kgray(I like her cases) though, and going to HR. He and Maniac are at the same radar level.

##vote Hellenic Riot

Now who will jump?

Did you forget bozo was dead, or what were you trying to say about him here?

[rdrivera2005]

I don't understand why, given the role RDR has, it dooms them to be Dkilled. Maniac alluded to it being a "team" thing for RDR to expect.

Why?

It's a meta thing, not a role thing. the logic goes like this:
rdriv has demonstrate that he is a good player.
if he's town, he tends to get NK'd because scum fears him.
if he doesn't get NK'd, there's a nagging suspicion that this is because scum to not NK their own.

It's a tough place to be, because it means he's the target of fearkills from town or from scum. You don't have to agree with the assessment of rdriv, or the logic, to agree that some people do think this way.

I don't think this is what Maniac meant. I will never be NKed with so many PRs around and at some point it will probably makes sense to DK me instead of a more valuable PR if we both are in the block. He even said that it's valid unless I obvtowned so hard that this isn't needed.
And I don't fully agree with this reasoning, policy lynches could be a great way for scum to hide and get a misskill.

[Hamilton Brian]

@Dargorygel, you were on to something about getting players to leave a vote. You'll "splain later." You decided that you were on the wrong track of that, correct?