M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Chaqa]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

My warm and fuzzies are starting to recede. I was starting to feel much better about Jamie :/

What about this post by Ghug makes you change your mind about me? He doesn't give a reason for going back to voting me. Is Rdrivera your supplier? You both seem to be smoking the same stuff.

Nothing about the post. If you’ve been reading my posts I was starting to feel good about you, and now ghug is voting for you. Between our divergent reads on you and Bo, I think the wavelength I had going with ghug Is gone :/

Still probably town, but I’m sad I lost my mind meld

[kgray]

By the way, ##vote Damo - He is coasting and was eager to jump in the lead wagon with a poor reason.

damo said he'd be low-activity until Tuesday

[bo_sox48]

My warm and fuzzies are starting to recede. I was starting to feel much better about Jamie :/

What about this post by Ghug makes you change your mind about me? He doesn't give a reason for going back to voting me. Is Rdrivera your supplier? You both seem to be smoking the same stuff.

Nothing about the post. If you’ve been reading my posts I was starting to feel good about you, and now ghug is voting for you. Between our divergent reads on you and Bo, I think the wavelength I had going with ghug Is gone :/

Still probably town, but I’m sad I lost my mind meld

Convenient.

[Chaqa]

Chaqa following ghug like a lost puppy is also odd. Chaqa, who do you currently townread?

You, ghug, HB, Vecna. Jamie is leaning slightly back toward town now too

Scumleans on teacon, Kgray or HR (I don’t think they’re scum together), and Rivera.

If Rivera flips scum I think Maniac is scum too

[bo_sox48]

You think rdrivera was recruited?

[Chaqa]

What about this post by Ghug makes you change your mind about me? He doesn't give a reason for going back to voting me. Is Rdrivera your supplier? You both seem to be smoking the same stuff.

Nothing about the post. If you’ve been reading my posts I was starting to feel good about you, and now ghug is voting for you. Between our divergent reads on you and Bo, I think the wavelength I had going with ghug Is gone :/

Still probably town, but I’m sad I lost my mind meld

Convenient.

Go read my posts. I’ve tried to explain my reasoning. This doesn’t come out of nowhere. If no one is gonna read when I explain my reasoning and thoughts why do I even bother?

[Chaqa]

You think rdrivera was recruited?

No. I think mafia would choose public vanilla if they recruited a fourth member. Which I have explained.

[Hellenic Riot]

Because Kgray answered my questions (though on one point I had to repeat myself), engaged with the discussion, and has been very active and questioning in her own right, especially as the day has gone on. Whereas, on the other hand, until the last few pages you were being evasive and wilfully unhelpful, effectively taunting me and blowing raspberries when I was quite reasonably pressing you for an answer. I felt like your absence was a ploy, rather than a legitimate absence due to being too busy, and you've now basically admitted that.

So I've gone back over your posts to try and see just where your scumreading of kgray disappeared, and I don't see it at all. You called her out for paranoia over something teacon said, which she then pointed out you'd misinterpreted - Fine. But given that you were scumreading her *before* the paranoia thing, I don't really see how her pointing that out should have defanged that scumread so much that you hadn't given it a single thought since.

[BunnyGo]

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Bunny have you literally not noticed all the votes Flum has cast?

Of course I have, I've even responded to them. But it was the post that dargo made. It does seem against the "spirit" of the role.

The GMs have been here and not objected. Donny said he could vote multiple times as long as he used the real vote format.

To my mind, they could have made it like the double voter and explicitly didn't.

Awesome. We should cook up a code he can explicitly write sentences in. The simplest one is to have the first 13 of us (in alphabetical order) be the first 13 letters. And a vote for Vecna followed by the first 13 of us is the last 13 letters.

@Flum: sound ok? If so, can you explain your Jamie votes?

[kgray]

Chaqa following ghug like a lost puppy is also odd. Chaqa, who do you currently townread?

You, ghug, HB, Vecna. Jamie is leaning slightly back toward town now too

Scumleans on teacon, Kgray or HR (I don’t think they’re scum together), and Rivera.

If Rivera flips scum I think Maniac is scum too

Why do you scumread me? Because of something Jamie pointed out that he implied is no longer a significant factor in his reads?

[BunnyGo]

Of course I have, I've even responded to them. But it was the post that dargo made. It does seem against the "spirit" of the role.

The GMs have been here and not objected. Donny said he could vote multiple times as long as he used the real vote format.

To my mind, they could have made it like the double voter and explicitly didn't.

Awesome. We should cook up a code he can explicitly write sentences in. The simplest one is to have the first 13 of us (in alphabetical order) be the first 13 letters. And a vote for Vecna followed by the first 13 of us is the last 13 letters.

@Flum: sound ok? If so, can you explain your Jamie votes?

Ooh. Or even simpler. Just vote someone twice to use 2nd half of alphabet.

[Hamilton Brian]

Why were you on me in the first place if you thought it would fizzle out the second I actually wrote... Anything?

Your rationale made sense to me, It's not bulletproof but it's something I would do if I missed a time-sensitive thing. I think you being present, but not responding to a direct question that more than one person asked, was pretty reactionary. I'm not sure it served any purpose, and definitely not town's purpose since it consumed some better-spent oxygen.

[teacon7]

Yeah so I'm re-reading jamie and i'm not seeing anything stick out as obviously scum. He's not really pushing cases with the tenacity that I usually see from him, but I've been gone for a while, maybe he's calmer, and don't have a ton of strong scumreads myself. hm.

The biggest case against him is that Flum says he sees a tell on him. and ghug, one of the last prophets of Fluminator of blessed memory, says that flum has a scumtell on jamie. @ghug what is there to see?

If he was scum, I don't see jamie trying to break the setup the way he did at the beginning. Other than that, you could make the case that he's being entirely too pleasant. but idk if that's something you eliminate someone over right now.

[bo_sox48]

Nothing about the post. If you’ve been reading my posts I was starting to feel good about you, and now ghug is voting for you. Between our divergent reads on you and Bo, I think the wavelength I had going with ghug Is gone :/

Still probably town, but I’m sad I lost my mind meld

Convenient.

Go read my posts. I’ve tried to explain my reasoning. This doesn’t come out of nowhere. If no one is gonna read when I explain my reasoning and thoughts why do I even bother?

What doesn't come out of nowhere? You and ghug breaking up? You two were so good together.

I'm not sure why people get so upset when people don't read what they say. It's not as if anyone is going to act on your rationale as opposed to their own anyway. I've read like 6 pages of this game total and you still townread me, and you're right do so, so evidently it's unnecessary.

[ghug]

Well, of the people who responded, the fact that rdrivera came in to agree with my reasons for suspecting kgray, when I hadn't actually given any reasons was a pretty bizarre one. On the other hand, I don't know why scum rdrivera would defend me when I became an easy target, but perhaps he was quite content to let you do your usual tunnelling thing and it end up being you vs me.

kgray seemed to go out of her way to not engage with my vote, which given it was on her, was also pretty strange. Given the buddy-buddy relationship we had last game in the QT's, I would have expected her to be more perturbed by my vote than that. Apparently not, though.

Meanwhile, I've watched you slowly wind yourself up to a strong state of aggression while I wasn't doing anything at all, and then decide that it's me being the prick causing it. It's been quite entertaining, and at least eases my conscience that my past cases of tunnelling have been responsible for the shitshow they ended up causing with you - Clearly I merely have to breathe to trigger such behaviour.

Now, earlier in the day you were suspicious of kgray yourself - Something which you abandoned when you decided to tunnel into me, and announce that you wouldn't vote a wagon I'm on no matter what (which, given my absence, seems like an excellent way to avoid ever voting kgray despite apparently scumreading her). Why was that?

I never agreed with your reasons to vote Kgray because you didn't gave any. I even called it a naje vote. So WTF are you talking about?

And wasn't defending ysou either, I think your play is detrimental to town, just not sure it's scum.

By the way, ##vote Damo - He is coasting and was eager to jump in the lead wagon with a poor reason.

I don't think this is scummy from HR. And I understand his concerns with Kgray, I am not feeling the obvtown vibes she usually gave when she is town. Plus, she is my top choice for a recruit....

"Understands my concerns" - when I hadn't given any concerns - sure does seem like agreement

He was clearly saying that he had his own concerns, so he understood having concerns.

[ghug]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

My warm and fuzzies are starting to recede. I was starting to feel much better about Jamie :/

I kinda was too, but there was a reason I kinda think is bad now related to his suggesting he had an important role (he always does this as actual PR and I mistakenly scumread him for it, but I think it's plausible he's scum who'd make those sorts of appeals if he had a role that could be town), and I trust Flum.

[ghug]

What about this post by Ghug makes you change your mind about me? He doesn't give a reason for going back to voting me. Is Rdrivera your supplier? You both seem to be smoking the same stuff.

Nothing about the post. If you’ve been reading my posts I was starting to feel good about you, and now ghug is voting for you. Between our divergent reads on you and Bo, I think the wavelength I had going with ghug Is gone :/

Still probably town, but I’m sad I lost my mind meld

Convenient.

Please explain what you mean by this, bo.

[Hamilton Brian]

Teacon, are you still pretty strong on your Maniac vote? Anything else besides their "smooth as butter" reply to you?

[teacon7]

Well, now that the HR wagon will probably fizzle out, probably good to let that one ride out and develop something else.

My scum reads are crap right now. Could sheep Vecna, what with all the catching up they did earlier on today, but I'm not entirely sold on their process. Even they reconsidered votes.

Why were you on me in the first place if you thought it would fizzle out the second I actually wrote... Anything?

@HR: is pressure-voting absentees to come back and play not a thing anymore?

@HB: you said "now that the HR wagon will fizzle out" ... are you only going to vote on wagons that end up in top tier?

[ghug]

Yeah so I'm re-reading jamie and i'm not seeing anything stick out as obviously scum. He's not really pushing cases with the tenacity that I usually see from him, but I've been gone for a while, maybe he's calmer, and don't have a ton of strong scumreads myself. hm.

The biggest case against him is that Flum says he sees a tell on him. and ghug, one of the last prophets of Fluminator of blessed memory, says that flum has a scumtell on jamie. @ghug what is there to see?

If he was scum, I don't see jamie trying to break the setup the way he did at the beginning. Other than that, you could make the case that he's being entirely too pleasant. but idk if that's something you eliminate someone over right now.

I don't know what Flum sees, but I trust that he sees something.

I think it's entirely possible scum Jamie tried to break the setup for towncred, suspecting that his plan would be shut down to prevent ruining the game.