M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[ghug]

GM Note:
I would think the backup does not inherit the spirit's ability, since it uses it's ability on death and the backup doesn't inherit abilities that are out of charges.

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##CallGM so does the UB still get to back up something else? or is the UB now useless?

Teacon is definitely town if the backup is scum.

[Hellenic Riot]

Well, of the people who responded, the fact that rdrivera came in to agree with my reasons for suspecting kgray, when I hadn't actually given any reasons was a pretty bizarre one. On the other hand, I don't know why scum rdrivera would defend me when I became an easy target, but perhaps he was quite content to let you do your usual tunnelling thing and it end up being you vs me.

kgray seemed to go out of her way to not engage with my vote, which given it was on her, was also pretty strange. Given the buddy-buddy relationship we had last game in the QT's, I would have expected her to be more perturbed by my vote than that. Apparently not, though.

Meanwhile, I've watched you slowly wind yourself up to a strong state of aggression while I wasn't doing anything at all, and then decide that it's me being the prick causing it. It's been quite entertaining, and at least eases my conscience that my past cases of tunnelling have been responsible for the shitshow they ended up causing with you - Clearly I merely have to breathe to trigger such behaviour.

Now, earlier in the day you were suspicious of kgray yourself - Something which you abandoned when you decided to tunnel into me, and announce that you wouldn't vote a wagon I'm on no matter what (which, given my absence, seems like an excellent way to avoid ever voting kgray despite apparently scumreading her). Why was that?

[bo_sox48]

He's being a prick.

Why does Ghug being a prick trigger you, but when HR is a prick, you like it?

Because ghug makes it personal and blames me for every big or small problem that exists in this universe, whereas HR is just generally being obtuse.

Why does HR being a prick trigger you, but when ghug is a prick, you let it happen?

But Ghug has such soft, gentle hands. How could I be cross with him for long?

I'm sorry that you know this.

[ghug]

I re-read ghug. I was looking for evidence of buddying. Didn't find any.
Just telling people to sheep him, which seems like... ennh normal enough.

The worst thing really was this:

Get off Flum guys he's the spirit.

That read like: "no...stop.... wait..."
meh.

This little philosophical gem bears futher inquiry into the nature of our mortality:

I cannot be when
The world bees not. But I guess
I would rest easy

Based on his askign not to be recruited, I'd guess that his alignment hasn't shifted over the course of the game. He either started scum and stated that way, or started town and stayed that way. Unlikely that he was the recruit though.

I don't like doing things that are inconclusive, but c'est la vie.


@Ghug
-What is CKIII?
-why did you stop using haiku for a while during d1? it happened rather suddenly.
-why did you start again?

- Vecna asked what video game he should play. Crusader Kings III was the obvious answer.
- I was in a mood for lower-effort interaction, I guess.
- There may have been intoxicants involved, but I can't really be sure.

[ghug]

Yall scumreading HR for being himself are kinda weird.

He's being a prick.

Why does Ghug being a prick trigger you, but when HR is a prick, you like it?

Because ghug makes it personal and blames me for every big or small problem that exists in this universe, whereas HR is just generally being obtuse.

Why does HR being a prick trigger you, but when ghug is a prick, you let it happen?

You're a shitty person, bo. You have to live with that.

Jamie literally muted me yesterday, so I'm not sure this bit holds.

[ghug]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

[kgray]

kgray seemed to go out of her way to not engage with my vote, which given it was on her, was also pretty strange. Given the buddy-buddy relationship we had last game in the QT's, I would have expected her to be more perturbed by my vote than that. Apparently not, though.

I wasn't perturbed. I wanted to know why, but didn't see the point in asking you about it since you didn't respond to others who had already questioned it, and I'm sure me chiming in wouldn't have gotten you to explain sooner.

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, of the people who responded, the fact that rdrivera came in to agree with my reasons for suspecting kgray, when I hadn't actually given any reasons was a pretty bizarre one. On the other hand, I don't know why scum rdrivera would defend me when I became an easy target, but perhaps he was quite content to let you do your usual tunnelling thing and it end up being you vs me.

You're right that this is interesting though.
@Rdrivera would you care to comment? Why did you agree with a case HR had not made?

kgray seemed to go out of her way to not engage with my vote, which given it was on her, was also pretty strange. Given the buddy-buddy relationship we had last game in the QT's, I would have expected her to be more perturbed by my vote than that. Apparently not, though.

I'm not sure I would agree with that view of events. Look at these posts from Kgray:

I don't think this is scummy from HR. And I understand his concerns with Kgray, I am not feeling the obvtown vibes she usually gave when she is town. Plus, she is my top choice for a recruit....

lol how can you understand his concerns when he doesn't say what they are?

Yes, he is being obnoxious and not helpful. But the point is motivation. Why scum HR, that is really great at faking reads, would avoid a simple question and attract all this attention?

Besides the obvious "HR is town because he would never do this as scum" argument, I mostly agree with you. But also why would town!HR not push a case on his scumread?

I really don't know about HR. I'm gonna be super annoyed if I he doesn't come back and explain his vote before EOD, but I'm not convinced the naked vote makes him scum.

I wouldn't say that repeatedly mentioning the fact you hadn't explained a scumread on her is the same as "going out of her way" to avoid the issue.

Meanwhile, I've watched you slowly wind yourself up to a strong state of aggression while I wasn't doing anything at all, and then decide that it's me being the prick causing it. It's been quite entertaining, and at least eases my conscience that my past cases of tunnelling have been responsible for the shitshow they ended up causing with you - Clearly I merely have to breathe to trigger such behaviour.

You have always been distracted by your own ego, but I assure you that I would be annoyed by anyone acting the way you have acted. You're not special.

Now, earlier in the day you were suspicious of kgray yourself - Something which you abandoned when you decided to tunnel into me, and announce that you wouldn't vote a wagon I'm on no matter what (which, given my absence, seems like an excellent way to avoid ever voting kgray despite apparently scumreading her). Why was that?

Because Kgray answered my questions (though on one point I had to repeat myself), engaged with the discussion, and has been very active and questioning in her own right, especially as the day has gone on. Whereas, on the other hand, until the last few pages you were being evasive and wilfully unhelpful, effectively taunting me and blowing raspberries when I was quite reasonably pressing you for an answer. I felt like your absence was a ploy, rather than a legitimate absence due to being too busy, and you've now basically admitted that.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

For what reason? I though you had stopped tunnelling me. Now what I have I done?

[Hamilton Brian]

Well, now that the HR wagon will probably fizzle out, probably good to let that one ride out and develop something else.

My scum reads are crap right now. Could sheep Vecna, what with all the catching up they did earlier on today, but I'm not entirely sold on their process. Even they reconsidered votes.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, of the people who responded, the fact that rdrivera came in to agree with my reasons for suspecting kgray, when I hadn't actually given any reasons was a pretty bizarre one. On the other hand, I don't know why scum rdrivera would defend me when I became an easy target, but perhaps he was quite content to let you do your usual tunnelling thing and it end up being you vs me.

kgray seemed to go out of her way to not engage with my vote, which given it was on her, was also pretty strange. Given the buddy-buddy relationship we had last game in the QT's, I would have expected her to be more perturbed by my vote than that. Apparently not, though.

Meanwhile, I've watched you slowly wind yourself up to a strong state of aggression while I wasn't doing anything at all, and then decide that it's me being the prick causing it. It's been quite entertaining, and at least eases my conscience that my past cases of tunnelling have been responsible for the shitshow they ended up causing with you - Clearly I merely have to breathe to trigger such behaviour.

Now, earlier in the day you were suspicious of kgray yourself - Something which you abandoned when you decided to tunnel into me, and announce that you wouldn't vote a wagon I'm on no matter what (which, given my absence, seems like an excellent way to avoid ever voting kgray despite apparently scumreading her). Why was that?

I never agreed with your reasons to vote Kgray because you didn't gave any. I even called it a naje vote. So WTF are you talking about?

And wasn't defending ysou either, I think your play is detrimental to town, just not sure it's scum.

By the way, ##vote Damo - He is coasting and was eager to jump in the lead wagon with a poor reason.

[Hellenic Riot]

Well, now that the HR wagon will probably fizzle out, probably good to let that one ride out and develop something else.

My scum reads are crap right now. Could sheep Vecna, what with all the catching up they did earlier on today, but I'm not entirely sold on their process. Even they reconsidered votes.

Why were you on me in the first place if you thought it would fizzle out the second I actually wrote... Anything?

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, of the people who responded, the fact that rdrivera came in to agree with my reasons for suspecting kgray, when I hadn't actually given any reasons was a pretty bizarre one. On the other hand, I don't know why scum rdrivera would defend me when I became an easy target, but perhaps he was quite content to let you do your usual tunnelling thing and it end up being you vs me.

I never agreed with your reasons to vote Kgray because you didn't gave any. I even called it a naje vote. So WTF are you talking about?

Whoa whoa whoa.

You said you "understood his concerns", look here:

I don't think this is scummy from HR. And I understand his concerns with Kgray, I am not feeling the obvtown vibes she usually gave when she is town.

What concerns had HR expressed at the time of his vote?

None.

[Hellenic Riot]

Well, of the people who responded, the fact that rdrivera came in to agree with my reasons for suspecting kgray, when I hadn't actually given any reasons was a pretty bizarre one. On the other hand, I don't know why scum rdrivera would defend me when I became an easy target, but perhaps he was quite content to let you do your usual tunnelling thing and it end up being you vs me.

kgray seemed to go out of her way to not engage with my vote, which given it was on her, was also pretty strange. Given the buddy-buddy relationship we had last game in the QT's, I would have expected her to be more perturbed by my vote than that. Apparently not, though.

Meanwhile, I've watched you slowly wind yourself up to a strong state of aggression while I wasn't doing anything at all, and then decide that it's me being the prick causing it. It's been quite entertaining, and at least eases my conscience that my past cases of tunnelling have been responsible for the shitshow they ended up causing with you - Clearly I merely have to breathe to trigger such behaviour.

Now, earlier in the day you were suspicious of kgray yourself - Something which you abandoned when you decided to tunnel into me, and announce that you wouldn't vote a wagon I'm on no matter what (which, given my absence, seems like an excellent way to avoid ever voting kgray despite apparently scumreading her). Why was that?

I never agreed with your reasons to vote Kgray because you didn't gave any. I even called it a naje vote. So WTF are you talking about?

And wasn't defending ysou either, I think your play is detrimental to town, just not sure it's scum.

By the way, ##vote Damo - He is coasting and was eager to jump in the lead wagon with a poor reason.

I don't think this is scummy from HR. And I understand his concerns with Kgray, I am not feeling the obvtown vibes she usually gave when she is town. Plus, she is my top choice for a recruit....

"Understands my concerns" - when I hadn't given any concerns - sure does seem like agreement

[kgray]

Well, now that the HR wagon will probably fizzle out, probably good to let that one ride out and develop something else.

My scum reads are crap right now. Could sheep Vecna, what with all the catching up they did earlier on today, but I'm not entirely sold on their process. Even they reconsidered votes.

Why do you think it will fizzle out? Jamie doesn't seem to be moved by HR's explanation, and he's the biggest pusher of HR.

Do you still think HR is scum? The size of his wagon shouldn't matter much for that.

Why Vecna, especially if you're not sold on his process? Do you think he's town?

[Jamiet99uk]

Very sketchy of Rdrivera trying to re-write history here and claiming he never said he agreed with HR's concerns on Kgray, when you can see that's exactly what he said.

[Chaqa]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

My warm and fuzzies are starting to recede. I was starting to feel much better about Jamie :/

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm not gonna be around much around EoD.

##VOTE Jamie

My warm and fuzzies are starting to recede. I was starting to feel much better about Jamie :/

What about this post by Ghug makes you change your mind about me? He doesn't give a reason for going back to voting me. Is Rdrivera your supplier? You both seem to be smoking the same stuff.

[bo_sox48]

Chaqa following ghug like a lost puppy is also odd. Chaqa, who do you currently townread?

[Jamiet99uk]

I really, really need to get some PhD editing done. I'll be back in about an hour.