M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[teacon7]

related to ghug/bo:

On one hand, I'd expect town ghug to play better, less jumping at shadows and more focused on effective gameplay even if the answers aren't immediately apparent. On the other hand, I'd expect scum ghug to play better, controlling the narrative from a distance and allowing the town to manipulate one another with some subtle nudging in the direction he wants them to go. Here I see neither.

This struck a note with me. ghug is pretty good at controlling narrative from the distant shadows. and the strategy bo gives here would be perfect for many of the town-liability roles we have here.

I'm not saying this to shade ghug this game so much as say: we should check to see if he (or anyone else) buddied any of us. How does one check to see if you got buddied without falling prey to confirmation bias?

[teacon7]

Here's fluminator:

&&Vote Jamiet
&&Vote Jamiet
&&Vote Jamiet
&&Vote Jamiet

I've never been so tempted to sheep a clear.

I understand your feeling. What the 4 Jamiet votes mean, I don't remember your codes.

@ rdrivera - This is what he is responding to:

@@Flum. My scumread of Jamie is waning. Please rate your confidence in his scumtell being legit on a scale of 1 (you were making it up) - 5 (you'd consider making a pizza bet if it weren't immoral) by voting him that number of times consecutively.

That's a townclear's reccommend. flum says he will sheep ghug, but ghug ends up following flum's reccommend. As does maniac. I'm not saying either of them are sheeping the townclear, but... they are voting with the townclear's reccommendation. Maniac's main reasoning: (because of jamie saying "mis-kill" sounds like nitpicking on a "scumslip,") is... silly. He is correct that we get info from a jamie lynch, BUT only if jamie flips scum.

@maniac - what do we get if jamie flips town?

[teacon7]

Concerning HR:

I nailed him last game he was scum (and nobody believed me) because he was looking like town but not really scum hunting or pushing his reads, more sitting back making good questions and subtly pushing misskills. I don't see why scum HR would play the way he is playing this game.

I suspect that scum HR would be more invested in the game. HR does not look invested in this game. I'm ascribing it to "not wanting to invest early and still die."

What you're describing here ("not really hunting or pushing reads") looks a lot more like other players presently in game.

@HR - why kgray?

[teacon7]

last one, then I'll see what I missed while posting.

Which brings to mind, are there any roles scum would never choose at all?

Gladiator is really only useful to scum when it's piloted by an ignorant townsperson. So they wouldn't pick it.

Not gonna speculate about other roles, since I don't want to give them a list of things they'd be willing to fakeclaim. But I can't see gladiator being the pick, since it's a liability for the alignment possessing it, and easy enough to verify.

[Vecna]

##vote Chaqa

Im actually more happy with this vote. Could also go for Kgray or Darg. Lets give HR a bit more time Jamiet.

[Vecna]

btw, am I going crazy or did Kgray claim double voter at some point?

I have it in my head ever since I started catching up that she is, but im not sure if I imagine reading that.

[Vecna]

last one, then I'll see what I missed while posting.

Which brings to mind, are there any roles scum would never choose at all?

Gladiator is really only useful to scum when it's piloted by an ignorant townsperson. So they wouldn't pick it.

Not gonna speculate about other roles, since I don't want to give them a list of things they'd be willing to fakeclaim. But I can't see gladiator being the pick, since it's a liability for the alignment possessing it, and easy enough to verify.

why would scum ever fakeclaim in this setup lol.

Yes, lets get a cc battle going while roles are totally not AI

[kgray]

btw, am I going crazy or did Kgray claim double voter at some point?

I have it in my head ever since I started catching up that she is, but im not sure if I imagine reading that.

I did not claim double voter.

[BunnyGo]

<snip>
Bunny have you literally not noticed all the votes Flum has cast?

Of course I have, I've even responded to them. But it was the post that dargo made. It does seem against the "spirit" of the role.

[Hamilton Brian]

btw, am I going crazy or did Kgray claim double voter at some point?

I have it in my head ever since I started catching up that she is, but im not sure if I imagine reading that.

Not speaking for myself, but I think if they did claim, others would have noted it and made a deal about it.

[Vecna]

so weird, where did that idea come from lol

[BunnyGo]

<snip>
why would scum ever fakeclaim in this setup lol.

Yes, lets get a cc battle going while roles are totally not AI

This.

[kgray]

so weird, where did that idea come from lol

Maybe it's because I briefly turned my status to visible

[Vecna]

##vote Kgray

thats what u get for taunting me

[kgray]

##vote Chaqa

Im actually more happy with this vote. Could also go for Kgray or Darg. Lets give HR a bit more time Jamiet.

Is this because of my case?

[kgray]

##vote Kgray

thats what u get for taunting me

Hey at least you gave a reason...

[Vecna]

did you read my catchup at all?

[kgray]

did you read my catchup at all?

Yes, but you switched to Chaqa after I posted that so I was wondering if you agreed with it.

[ghug]

Goddamn awkward crosspost.

Bunny, I don't know why that was directed to me, but I'm glad you're at least outwardly okay.

Weren't you the one asking if I'd worry about anyone missing more than expected?

if bo is scum, this post partner-clears bunny also. not a fabricated interaction when people go "wait didnt you ask me x?"

If there's anything that indicates town Vecna to me, it's posts like this. Probably means he's scum.

[teacon7]

Yeah, the problem is.....HR mightve just seen how Durga did it last game and hope he also gets a pass for the first 2 days.

What did Durga do last game that worked? lurked? lurked up until d3?