M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Chaqa]

@flum: It seems you can vote multiple times per day, publicly.

How about this
%%vote playername means you approve of something that player said. (townlean)

%%vOtE playername means you think that player is doing something silly/wrong/scummy (scumlean)

%%VOTE playername means it's an actual vote, rather than attempting to communicate from beyond the grave.

Vote for me if you approve of this plan.
Vote for me twice in a row if you want more options.

This feels rather metagamey, but probably NAI.

[ghug]

Well, first of all, it can be used to confirm a claim later if the FV is on the block, because they can say who they gave fruit to, and those people can confirm they they got a fruit.

But that wouldn’t tell alignment?

Yes, lol, of course it would. If you're forced to claim because you're on the block (i.e., about to be wrongly hanged as town), you *want* people to know that your alignment is town, duh.

He's saying that claiming fruit vendor doesn't mean you're town.

[Chaqa]

Was anyone roleblocked?

Why are you so desperate to know? Worried you'll slip and say who you roleblocked?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Teacon: Which of the people voting for you do you think is trying to lead your mis-killing on behalf of the scum team? Bamilton?

No clue. Most of them are new to me, thus harder to read. bamilton and seth seem honest enough right now. I think the majority of them are scumhunting in their own way, so idk how to tell yet.

You must remember Damo.

Do you think Damo is trying to get you mis-killed?

[Jamiet99uk]

Was anyone roleblocked?

Why are you so desperate to know? Worried you'll slip and say who you roleblocked?

I do not have a roleblock. My power is something else. I was not roleblocked. Were you?

[Jamiet99uk]

But that wouldn’t tell alignment?

Yes, lol, of course it would. If you're forced to claim because you're on the block (i.e., about to be wrongly hanged as town), you *want* people to know that your alignment is town, duh.

He's saying that claiming fruit vendor doesn't mean you're town.

Yes I got that, I was just having a sudden rush of shit to the brain.

[teacon7]

What's the point of town FV visiting?

Well, first of all, it can be used to confirm a claim later if the FV is on the block, because they can say who they gave fruit to, and those people can confirm they they got a fruit.

Jamie's exactly right here.

That said, FV should only visit once. More than that, and it's likely to confuse the trackers.

fwiw, I hardclaim that I am NOT the FV. If I ever claim as much, eliminate me.

The only reason I'm talking about the FV this much at all is for the sake of PoE with the low-cost roles. Sad to say it, but it might take another death and role-reveal to get more information.

[Jamiet99uk]

What's the point of town FV visiting?

Well, first of all, it can be used to confirm a claim later if the FV is on the block, because they can say who they gave fruit to, and those people can confirm they they got a fruit.

Jamie's exactly right here.

That said, FV should only visit once. More than that, and it's likely to confuse the trackers.

fwiw, I hardclaim that I am NOT the FV. If I ever claim as much, eliminate me.

The only reason I'm talking about the FV this much at all is for the sake of PoE with the low-cost roles. Sad to say it, but it might take another death and role-reveal to get more information.

If you eliminate low-cost roles, that helps identify the high-cost roles.

Is that a good idea for town?

[teacon7]

Yes I got that, I was just having a sudden rush of shit to the brain.

I call it a "derp" , but that's okay. It happens to everyone.

[Chaqa]

My opinions are shaped by the questions I ask and the answers I get, so yes and yes. Why are you such a dick?

Are you scum?

Why are you lying about being innocent?

If I asked you what question to ask to reveal your innocent or not, what would it be?

[ghug]

What's the point of town FV visiting?

Well, first of all, it can be used to confirm a claim later if the FV is on the block, because they can say who they gave fruit to, and those people can confirm they they got a fruit.

Jamie's exactly right here.

That said, FV should only visit once. More than that, and it's likely to confuse the trackers.

fwiw, I hardclaim that I am NOT the FV. If I ever claim as much, eliminate me.

The only reason I'm talking about the FV this much at all is for the sake of PoE with the low-cost roles. Sad to say it, but it might take another death and role-reveal to get more information.

This is wrong, for reasons I've outlined already.

[seth24c]

Yes, lol, of course it would. If you're forced to claim because you're on the block (i.e., about to be wrongly hanged as town), you *want* people to know that your alignment is town, duh.

He's saying that claiming fruit vendor doesn't mean you're town.

Yes I got that, I was just having a sudden rush of shit to the brain.

Scumslip? This one is tempting if nothing else than because you seemed to be assuming from the start that the fruit vendor was town.

[Chaqa]

Maybe I'm being conspiratorial, but I'm interested in why you chose to respond to the post where I criticized your view on bozo's reads as opposed to the one where I criticized your view on everyone's reads. Did you read what transpired prior to EON? Are you worried about your reaction to EON since it has been called out by a couple of talkative people?

Ooooh I like this catch by bo. Teacon feeling guilty over killing Bozo, maybe?

[Jamiet99uk]

He's saying that claiming fruit vendor doesn't mean you're town.

Yes I got that, I was just having a sudden rush of shit to the brain.

Scumslip? This one is tempting if nothing else than because you seemed to be assuming from the start that the fruit vendor was town.

I do not know the alignment of the Fruitmonger.

[teacon7]

fwiw, I hardclaim that I am NOT the FV. If I ever claim as much, eliminate me.

The only reason I'm talking about the FV this much at all is for the sake of PoE with the low-cost roles. Sad to say it, but it might take another death and role-reveal to get more information.

If you eliminate low-cost roles, that helps identify the high-cost roles.

Is that a good idea for town?

ugh. I meant PoE as in "process of (logical) elimination", rather than calling for an elimination of low-cost roles by DK. (It's double plus ungood levels more complicated to talk this way.)

I think there's one scum among the low-cost roles.
If it's not the FV, it's the PV or the neighborizer.
Whoever is in the neighborhood watch QT should have more info than we do on that.

[rdrivera2005]

I don't mean it's a mechanical requirement, I mean that we can establish that a town fruit vendor should visit every night, and thus a scum fruit vendor must as well, or out that they had reason not to.

Why the town FV should visit, can't see what's the benefit.

Because the expectation that the fruit vendor should visit forces the scum fruit vendor to visit, which is bad for scum.

The fruit vendor specifically gives scum money because it's worse for them than no role, but it's only worse for them than no role if we force them to use it.

I don't think there's that much risk in confusing the tracker as long as the recipient claims it every day.

Suppose town FV visit someone NKed or RBed. Don't you think it can confuse the Tracker or Voyeur?

[ghug]

He's saying that claiming fruit vendor doesn't mean you're town.

Yes I got that, I was just having a sudden rush of shit to the brain.

Scumslip? This one is tempting if nothing else than because you seemed to be assuming from the start that the fruit vendor was town.

No.

If anything it displays consistency with his desire to claim his role yesterday. He's used to a mindset where PRs can claim to clear themselves and nothing has broken him of that yet, which actually pushes him more towards town for me.

[Chaqa]

So I am a little mystified. I'm reading an exchange between ghug and teacon. Ghug asserts that the double vote is only revealed at EoD; seems reasonable enough.

Nevermind; the discrepancy is resolved in the final vote count. Kudos to whomever noticed that first. I certainly didn't.

It isn't reflected on the bot page, so that's a good thing to be mindful of going forward.

If you worked out the answer to your little mystery while you were still typing this post, why did you go ahead and post it?

a) I type as I am working things out, often going back and forth between tabs and

b) to ensure I meet the required minimum

I don't see what issue you can possibly take with that post, Jamie.

[rdrivera2005]

fwiw, I hardclaim that I am NOT the FV. If I ever claim as much, eliminate me.

The only reason I'm talking about the FV this much at all is for the sake of PoE with the low-cost roles. Sad to say it, but it might take another death and role-reveal to get more information.

If you eliminate low-cost roles, that helps identify the high-cost roles.

Is that a good idea for town?

ugh. I meant PoE as in "process of (logical) elimination", rather than calling for an elimination of low-cost roles by DK. (It's double plus ungood levels more complicated to talk this way.)

I think there's one scum among the low-cost roles.
If it's not the FV, it's the PV or the neighborizer.
Whoever is in the neighborhood watch QT should have more info than we do on that.

You are ignoring Tree Stump or taking for granted scum choosed it?

[Jamiet99uk]

Why the town FV should visit, can't see what's the benefit.

Because the expectation that the fruit vendor should visit forces the scum fruit vendor to visit, which is bad for scum.

The fruit vendor specifically gives scum money because it's worse for them than no role, but it's only worse for them than no role if we force them to use it.

I don't think there's that much risk in confusing the tracker as long as the recipient claims it every day.

Suppose town FV visit someone NKed or RBed. Don't you think it can confuse the Tracker or Voyeur?

How could it confuse the Voyeur?