M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[teacon7]

@rivera & all

Do you think a scum!FruitVendor would visit people and give them fruit?

No. Scum FV visiting someone is absolutely stupid, unless he is under pressure and want to be able to claim his role.

But the question isn't this. Have Damo really claimed he was visited by the FV?

That's something @damo will have to answer.

He said "enjoying banana," which I took to be that he was claiming he'd been Visited by a fruit vendor and given a banana. @damo?

[seth24c]

So, ##vote Teacon with me.

Or Seth.

So why did you say you would move to Jamie yesterday but still seem to have teacon as your top suspect?

Because I didn't like that specific post from Jamiet, but I don't have a solid scumread on him. Also, reads evolve, now you are my top suspect.

That’s great, so you don’t scumread Jamie or teacon anymore? What about kgray?

[rdrivera2005]

I’m not getting good vibes from kgray so far this game.

Is that based on the post they made that you referenced or other things (and if so, like what)?

And my comment about HR was a bit colloquial, as in, "I'm going to be pretty suspicious of HR if they don't show up soon and start presenting some info." It was off-handed, but they are on my list.

As indicated by me calling them vibes it’s nothing concrete yet. But kgray going back and forth with ghug and jamie made me feel like she was trying to make them suspicious of each other. There were also moments where I thought she was acting pretty town but especially since rdr gave her a pass for her vote for flum and then scumread me and teacon for it I’ve been a little more suspect of both of them.

My problem with you is exactly this kind of post. I told VCA is pretty useless on D1 and my scumread on Teacon and you have other reasons and you just try to dismiss this like I am focusing on Flum voters.
And I even said I have suspicions on Kgray for other reasons too, so I don't see you are being honest in this comment.

[teacon7]

Note: thus begins my Flavius-style catchup.

Good gracious. That name brought back memories.

[rdrivera2005]

The purpose of a scum Fruit Vendor is to distract / confuse Trackers and Watchers. So if you get Fruit, it's a good idea to declare it, as Damo did.

@rivera, do you agree with the above statement?

Already answered, but I don't agree.

[seth24c]

Is that based on the post they made that you referenced or other things (and if so, like what)?

And my comment about HR was a bit colloquial, as in, "I'm going to be pretty suspicious of HR if they don't show up soon and start presenting some info." It was off-handed, but they are on my list.

As indicated by me calling them vibes it’s nothing concrete yet. But kgray going back and forth with ghug and jamie made me feel like she was trying to make them suspicious of each other. There were also moments where I thought she was acting pretty town but especially since rdr gave her a pass for her vote for flum and then scumread me and teacon for it I’ve been a little more suspect of both of them.

My problem with you is exactly this kind of post. I told VCA is pretty useless on D1 and my scumread on Teacon and you have other reasons and you just try to dismiss this like I am focusing on Flum voters.
And I even said I have suspicions on Kgray for other reasons too, so I don't see you are being honest in this comment.

Ok so what is your other reasons? That’s the post that is sticking out to me so maybe I need to read your iso again.

[Chaqa]

Oh also, I was not Roleblocked (if we are doing that?)

I wasn't either, what a surprise.

Wtf I paid to roleblock you

Ghug is so town, I love it

[Chaqa]

##Vote Jamiet

Glad to see our friendly neighborhood ghost is back on the Jamie train

[rdrivera2005]

So why did you say you would move to Jamie yesterday but still seem to have teacon as your top suspect?

Because I didn't like that specific post from Jamiet, but I don't have a solid scumread on him. Also, reads evolve, now you are my top suspect.

That’s great, so you don’t scumread Jamie or teacon anymore? What about kgray?

I never scumread Jamiet, he is more on a null position. I see some scummy posts, but his overall play seems towny.

Teacon I still have some doubts, but I don't want to keep tunneling him.

Kgray I also addressed before if you are reading, I can't point a scummy thing, but she didn't obvtowned as usual when she is town.

[seth24c]

Because I didn't like that specific post from Jamiet, but I don't have a solid scumread on him. Also, reads evolve, now you are my top suspect.

That’s great, so you don’t scumread Jamie or teacon anymore? What about kgray?

I never scumread Jamiet, he is more on a null position. I see some scummy posts, but his overall play seems towny.

Teacon I still have some doubts, but I don't want to keep tunneling him.

Kgray I also addressed before if you are reading, I can't point a scummy thing, but she didn't obvtowned as usual when she is town.

And your scumread on me does appear to be based at least somewhat upon my flum vote because the only other time you have justified it was because I was “coasting”. You also said that you would have switched to Jamie if you had been around for eod even after the day had already ended.

[Jamiet99uk]

I wasn't either, what a surprise.

Wtf I paid to roleblock you

Ghug is so town, I love it

Chaqa is so fake, I hate it.

[seth24c]

It's worse than that, Dargorygel. HR actually responded to a post from Bamilton, asking him to explain his Kgray vote, and he implicitly refused to do so.

That is pretty blatant for HR to be scum, though, right? Unless he is being TStbS.

Nevertheless, I'd really like to hear his reasons. Really.

I don't think this is scummy from HR. And I understand his concerns with Kgray, I am not feeling the obvtown vibes she usually gave when she is town. Plus, she is my top choice for a recruit....

This is the first time you express your concerns with kgray after claiming that teacon and I are your picks for the scummiest on the flum wagon. May be confirmation bias on my side but this feels like you trying to find an unrelated reason to scumread her after you gave her a pass at first.

[ghug]

@rivera & all

Do you think a scum!FruitVendor would visit people and give them fruit?

No. Scum FV visiting someone is absolutely stupid, unless he is under pressure and want to be able to claim his role.

But the question isn't this. Have Damo really claimed he was visited by the FV?

I feel like town fruit vendor visits every night, so scum fruit vendor would have to.

[teacon7]

The purpose of a scum Fruit Vendor is to distract / confuse Trackers and Watchers. So if you get Fruit, it's a good idea to declare it, as Damo did.

@rivera, do you agree with the above statement?

Already answered, but I don't agree.

Got it, thank you.

What made you chose rdr to ask his opinion?

I've got a scumlean on him, and among other posts, I'm following a lead by seeing how he answers.

We have a hard data point in rdr being the PV. rdr said that if he were scum, he'd have picked between the FV or PV for an "early death" player to hide. I think so too. So I wanted to see what he'd say about the way the FV is acting at present. If scum recruited, it seems likely that there's one scum among the cheap roles. We don't have much hard data, but it seems like we could use PoE to some effect.

[teacon7]

Also, it seems like there's probably at least one scum among the people badgering me today. I guess I look like an easy-elimination?

@jamie, any thoughts on that? do I look like an easy elimination target?

[seth24c]

The purpose of a scum Fruit Vendor is to distract / confuse Trackers and Watchers. So if you get Fruit, it's a good idea to declare it, as Damo did.

@rivera, do you agree with the above statement?

Already answered, but I don't agree.

Got it, thank you.

What made you chose rdr to ask his opinion?

I've got a scumlean on him, and among other posts, I'm following a lead by seeing how he answers.

We have a hard data point in rdr being the PV. rdr said that if he were scum, he'd have picked between the FV or PV for an "early death" player to hide. I think so too. So I wanted to see what he'd say about the way the FV is acting at present. If scum recruited, it seems likely that there's one scum among the cheap roles. We don't have much hard data, but it seems like we could use PoE to some effect.

Makes sense. I like it.

[ghug]

Wtf I paid to roleblock you

Ghug is so town, I love it

Chaqa is so fake, I hate it.

Yeah, why does me making a joke in response to a joke tell you anything about my alignment?

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, it seems like there's probably at least one scum among the people badgering me today. I guess I look like an easy-elimination?

@jamie, any thoughts on that? do I look like an easy elimination target?

Potentially. Certainly you don't appear to be widely townread, and your D1 play seemed to confuse quite a few people.

I take it you asked me specifically, because I have a lot of experience of being targeted by scum as an easy elimination target?

[rdrivera2005]

That’s great, so you don’t scumread Jamie or teacon anymore? What about kgray?

I never scumread Jamiet, he is more on a null position. I see some scummy posts, but his overall play seems towny.

Teacon I still have some doubts, but I don't want to keep tunneling him.

Kgray I also addressed before if you are reading, I can't point a scummy thing, but she didn't obvtowned as usual when she is town.

And your scumread on me does appear to be based at least somewhat upon my flum vote because the only other time you have justified it was because I was “coasting”. You also said that you would have switched to Jamie if you had been around for eod even after the day had already ended.

Yes, I have a townread on Flum so I would have voted Jamiet over him.

And I think you are coasting. And I don't like the way you distort (at least on my POV) arguments and hedge a lot when you give your opinions. I remember quite easily sorting you as town last game on D1.

[rdrivera2005]

@rivera & all

Do you think a scum!FruitVendor would visit people and give them fruit?

No. Scum FV visiting someone is absolutely stupid, unless he is under pressure and want to be able to claim his role.

But the question isn't this. Have Damo really claimed he was visited by the FV?

I feel like town fruit vendor visits every night, so scum fruit vendor would have to.

It's not what is written on the role description (page 1, won't copy as I am on phone).