M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Jamiet99uk]

@rivera & all

Do you think a scum!FruitVendor would visit people and give them fruit?

They don't have the option of visiting and not giving fruit. The giving of fruit is the visit.

[Maniac]

Because why spend the money on a double voter when you can recruit and get an extra vote from that as well as a much higher chance of actually winning

Because if scum don't take double vote they leave that role for town.
Not saying that I would take Double Voter if i was scum, just that I'd have to consider the options.

[seth24c]

I also agree with Rdrivera that Seth appears to be coasting. Throughout D1 he made comments that suggested he was thinking about people and their arguments and interactions, but then he apparently chose not to share this thinking with the class. He only started actually explaining his thoughts when pressured to do so, mostly by Bo_Sox if I recall.

I mean, I try to share thoughts as I can but I’ve never been very talkative in class. I’m much more talkative in these games than I am in most settings. I also been unavailable for large time chunks and catch up as I can do some conversations have already happened by the time I read them. SInce it seems to be a concern I’ll let everyone preemptively know that I won’t be around for eod tomorrow or much of the time leading up to it.

[seth24c]

I also agree with Rdrivera that Seth appears to be coasting. Throughout D1 he made comments that suggested he was thinking about people and their arguments and interactions, but then he apparently chose not to share this thinking with the class. He only started actually explaining his thoughts when pressured to do so, mostly by Bo_Sox if I recall.

Last game seth was fairly in-and-out in terms of participation, and I don't think it's scummy to not type everything you're thinking in a stream-of-consciousness type way. But I am still concerned with the way seth talked about the scum mechanics. If bozo is correct that scum would try to force that they didn't know how that works, then seth is my top candidate.

So my post on bozo’s survey, which is quite similar to several others I might add, is your reason to have me at the top of your suspect list? Based on whether bozo is correct that scum would try to force a lack of knowledge on the setup? Even discounting that I am the focus of this post am not at all a fan of this post.

[seth24c]

I also want to know why Teacon can't tell the difference between Fluminator and Vecna. Their names don't even sound remotely alike.

yeah that was a derp moment. I meant fluminator.

Any idea how it happened?

[seth24c]

Well, back for another scintillating day. I, too, want HR to come out in the open with their voting of kgray.

For now, I am going to
##VOTE TEACON

On the surface, there's something in the length of the posting that makes me consider they are trying to obfuscate from the task at hand. There also are some incongruencies from the opening day. So yes, I am going to tunnel.

Who else do you scumread, Hamilton?

Going to be HR in a moment. Seth, Bunny.
Inconclusive, and all gut/intuition at the moment. Any of those we connect on?

Going to be hr? I thought just a couple pages back you were admittedly tunneling teacon?

[seth24c]

Who else do you scumread, Hamilton?

Going to be HR in a moment. Seth, Bunny.
Inconclusive, and all gut/intuition at the moment. Any of those we connect on?

Not really HR or Bunny, but I'm suspicious of both seth and teacon. Despite teacon's argument for why it's important for people to post reads lists, he hasn't been giving a lot of his own reads and his contributions are focused more on either mechanics or general strategies that don't really relate to this game. I agree that he appears to be obfuscating. Maybe that's normal for him? But I get a bad feeling about people who talk about what town should be doing but then don't do that thing.

I’m not getting good vibes from kgray so far this game.

[seth24c]

Played werewolf irl in the past. No live mafia, only played here. Number of games? Yeesh...I started this summer. Maybe 4, 5, or 6?
Meta? I am too ADHD in real life to place stock in meta. I don't remember shit from one game to the next. I don't know the make of damo's bandana.

hm. So if it's not meta, what makes you think HR/seth/bunny are scum ?

sidebar:

@seth - same questions for you. nice to meet you. what's your experience? what do you make of Damo's banana?

Nice to meet you teacon, played a maybe half a dozen times face to face with friends/family. (Several of those are probably since I’ve started playing here) this is my 3rd game on webdip. No idea on the banana.

[seth24c]

Because why spend the money on a double voter when you can recruit and get an extra vote from that as well as a much higher chance of actually winning

Because if scum don't take double vote they leave that role for town.
Not saying that I would take Double Voter if i was scum, just that I'd have to consider the options.

This is a good point. If the scum team felt strong about the players they have surviving it might make sense for them not to recruit so they are able to pull the stronger roles from town.. Wouldn’t they have been pretty likely to chose the restless spirit in that case though?

[teacon7]

I also want to know why Teacon can't tell the difference between Fluminator and Vecna. Their names don't even sound remotely alike.

yeah that was a derp moment. I meant fluminator.

Any idea how it happened?

It had been a long day, I just got finished putting my kids to bed, and I had sat down to drink bourbon and play mafia. idk. Vecna's name is cooler?

[teacon7]

The purpose of a scum Fruit Vendor is to distract / confuse Trackers and Watchers. So if you get Fruit, it's a good idea to declare it, as Damo did.

@rivera, do you agree with the above statement?

[seth24c]

yeah that was a derp moment. I meant fluminator.

Any idea how it happened?

It had been a long day, I just got finished putting my kids to bed, and I had sat down to drink bourbon and play mafia. idk. Vecna's name is cooler?

Idk I’ve always like fluminator’s name. Pretty close competition for sure.

[Hamilton Brian]

I’m not getting good vibes from kgray so far this game.

Is that based on the post they made that you referenced or other things (and if so, like what)?

And my comment about HR was a bit colloquial, as in, "I'm going to be pretty suspicious of HR if they don't show up soon and start presenting some info." It was off-handed, but they are on my list.

[seth24c]

The purpose of a scum Fruit Vendor is to distract / confuse Trackers and Watchers. So if you get Fruit, it's a good idea to declare it, as Damo did.

@rivera, do you agree with the above statement?

What made you chose rdr to ask his opinion?

[seth24c]

I’m not getting good vibes from kgray so far this game.

Is that based on the post they made that you referenced or other things (and if so, like what)?

And my comment about HR was a bit colloquial, as in, "I'm going to be pretty suspicious of HR if they don't show up soon and start presenting some info." It was off-handed, but they are on my list.

As indicated by me calling them vibes it’s nothing concrete yet. But kgray going back and forth with ghug and jamie made me feel like she was trying to make them suspicious of each other. There were also moments where I thought she was acting pretty town but especially since rdr gave her a pass for her vote for flum and then scumread me and teacon for it I’ve been a little more suspect of both of them.

[teacon7]

@kgray- You said this:

I'm suspicious of both seth and teacon. ...{snip}... his contributions are focused more on either mechanics or general strategies ...

So what's your take on the exchange below? Is it too mechanical or general-strategy for you?

Because why spend the money on a double voter when you can recruit and get an extra vote from that as well as a much higher chance of actually winning

Because if scum don't take double vote they leave that role for town.
Not saying that I would take Double Voter if i was scum, just that I'd have to consider the options.

This is a good point. If the scum team felt strong about the players they have surviving it might make sense for them not to recruit so they are able to pull the stronger roles from town.. Wouldn’t they have been pretty likely to chose the restless spirit in that case though?

Why aren't you out there talking about your vibes on HR or Maniac, who are also talking about general strategies or mechanical issues?

[Chaqa]

Note: thus begins my Flavius-style catchup.

I'm sad he didn't post reads.

Hate this post

+1 ghug. Lamenting the dead is a common scum move.

Ghug still giving me warm and fuzzies.

[rdrivera2005]

@rivera & all

Do you think a scum!FruitVendor would visit people and give them fruit?

No. Scum FV visiting someone is absolutely stupid, unless he is under pressure and want to be able to claim his role.

But the question isn't this. Have Damo really claimed he was visited by the FV?

[rdrivera2005]

Hate this post

So, ##vote Teacon with me.

Or Seth.

So why did you say you would move to Jamie yesterday but still seem to have teacon as your top suspect?

Because I didn't like that specific post from Jamiet, but I don't have a solid scumread on him. Also, reads evolve, now you are my top suspect.

[rdrivera2005]

@rivera & all

Do you think a scum!FruitVendor would visit people and give them fruit?

They don't have the option of visiting and not giving fruit. The giving of fruit is the visit.

He can choose not to visit.