M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[dargorygel]

@Jamie
I asked (I think) this before (I think) and I have not noticed (I think) an answer. Why no low-posting accusations in this game so far?

What, you mean stuff like this?

@Chaqa
@HR
@Seth

You have a little over two hours left to cast your vote.
Chaqa, you could also try to, y'know, participate.

Or this:

Where are Hellenic Riot and Seth? They haven't even voted at all and we're down to the last 15 or 16 minutes.

...?

Yeah... fair enough. You asked them to post/vote. But can you see that 'a bit of pressure to post/vote is a far cry from, "I will policy vote low-posters?"

[Hamilton Brian]

My orders have already been sent ....

That's interesting. What orders might you be sending out?

[Hamilton Brian]

Are there any dissenters to feeling similar to RDR, about VCA around Flum being difficult to generate any information from?

RDR, before I get back into reading previous posts, are there particular reasons for Seth and Teacon being on your scum reads?

Is Bozo out of character for you?

[bozotheclown]

For my survey question, since the mafia obviously knew what they decided, I thought there were a few things they might do:
1. indicate they had not thought about it and/or give a not thought out answer
2. give a reasonable answer different than what they chose, which therefore might not be particularly optimal
3. ignore the question

Here are my opinions of the responses:

...

I would probably go:
Restless spirit
Odd-Night Tracker
Fruit vendor (the give the maf money? I think I read that somewhere?)
Double voter (provided the vote works more than once)

Frankly, the biggest reason is a don't like roles with limited uses, I'd be scared to use them until it's too late.

Important note, I did not do the math for this, I don't know how much debt it is, it may be bad.

Macca's answer was not well thought out and had too many roles, as did their modified answer.

...

I had too many roles? I thought I'd done too little...

I see your question has already ben answered, but I think I added to your misinterpretation by listing 3 players for Jamie's theoretical teammates instead of 2.

[bozotheclown]

Looking at D1 EOD, I do not see any particular reason to suspect Jamie or teacon are mafia.

Can you elaborate on this?

I did not find Jamie or teacon particularly suspicious D1, and nothing that happened at EOD in the voting or in the way they defended themselves made me any more suspicious of them.

[bozotheclown]

Finally catched up.

The runaway wagon on Flum make hard to get something from VCA. Teacon wasn't saved as his wagon wasn't going nowhere and if I was around I would have changed my vote to Jamiet.

Jamiet could have been saved, but I don't get this feeling. From his voters Teacon and Seth are on my scum reads.

I also don't like Bozo taking day chat for granted when analyzing Bo and HR answers for his query. It was his second mistake about mechanics which isn't something usual for him. If I have an investigative power I would use on him.

Obviously in the theory HR and bo_sox posted their responses to my question at the same time because they had just discussed it, they would need to have scum day chat. That does not mean I assume the mafia purchased day chat. Also, when I listed 3 theoretical teammates for Jamie and kgray, I was thinking about the 3 mafia, but I mistakenly did not account for Jamie or kgray being the third mafia.

[bozotheclown]

Finally catched up.

The runaway wagon on Flum make hard to get something from VCA. Teacon wasn't saved as his wagon wasn't going nowhere and if I was around I would have changed my vote to Jamiet.

Jamiet could have been saved, but I don't get this feeling. From his voters Teacon and Seth are on my scum reads.

I also don't like Bozo taking day chat for granted when analyzing Bo and HR answers for his query. It was his second mistake about mechanics which isn't something usual for him. If I have an investigative power I would use on him.

Are you saying something about Jamie voters makes you scum read teacon and seth?

If teacon's town telling in his response to my question was fake, it was an impressive fabrication, especially the part about the 15 rolecops.

[bozotheclown]

In conclusion, the majority of responses included some form of town telling, so I think some of these responses include fake town tells. In my opinion, some of the more questionable of these responses were those of seth, Hamilton, ghug, kgray, and bo_sox.

I meant to include Chaqa on this list.

[bozotheclown]

Someone is either going to miskill me because of my haikuing or miskill me because I stopped haikuing when they told me to stop haikuing and they're going to think that I caved to their amazing pressure so I'm just gonna do it myself and stop haikuing

But I will admit
It has been a ton of fun
To perform for you

I like how you did this now, right after roles (and maybe one more alignment pm) has been assigned. @bo_sox: Why now and not 4 hours ago?

I think this was a good point, and a question bo_sox ignored. I also think bo_sox would be one of the higher probability recruits.

[Maniac]

@dargorygel - I think you’re on to something regards Ghug and Bo. I need to isolate both of them but Ghug in particular. I felt (feel) that he is providing more heat than light by his quantity of posting and he may not be following the thread as diligently as a good townie would. I do need to look closer at this though as it’s feelings rather than analysis at this stage. There was an odd thing where he pulled someone up for a small font when he didn’t pull a prior example up. Maybe an example of not reading the thread and skimming and commenting enough to look engaged. Idk

[bozotheclown]

Darg's morning tinfoil hat.

webDipMaf has had a trend lately that scum hide among the low-posters. Jamie, for instance, has indicated his intention to vote primarily among the low-posters.

Looking at the bot's summary of yesterday, two players who might not normally be among D1's top-talkers had extensive conversations with each other. (Bo and ghug) But their actual content was fluffy. First, they had a haiku battle of ginger stuff. Which was entertaining, and it WAS a quasi joke (joiku?) phase...

But then this N they have been discussing kgray's odd comments. And yet they, while presenting argumentative arguments arguing about kgray's thoughts, motivations, and purpose in life. But actually, their argements do not really... ummm... go anywhere.

They are both often fear-killed. Low-posters are liable to early daykill. Would it be beyond these two to formulate this sort of fakery?

There IS a marked difference in their postings. One is more erudite. One is more often simply reactive. But what-if what-if what-if these two are putting on a show?

Add to that... Jaimie has not noted anything about low posters.

Something to put away for later rememberating...

I think it is inaccurate to say ghug would not normally be one of the top posters D1. However, I could buy their interaction as scum theater, or that one recruited the other. Maybe HR, ghug, and scum number 3 recruited bo_sox.

[dargorygel]

@bozo... you are right. The games I glanced at had ghug participating on D1, in the upper tier. I didn't look to see if his posts were haiku or silly. But my memory was incorrect.

[bozotheclown]

ghug's latest N1 post was at 17:35, bo_sox's latest post was at 17:33. Maybe they both left after discussing N1 actions in scum chat.

ghug was actively posting during the 2 post clusters that aligned between HR and bo_sox, although ghug posted a lot D1.

[ghug]

Darg's morning tinfoil hat.

webDipMaf has had a trend lately that scum hide among the low-posters. Jamie, for instance, has indicated his intention to vote primarily among the low-posters.

Looking at the bot's summary of yesterday, two players who might not normally be among D1's top-talkers had extensive conversations with each other. (Bo and ghug) But their actual content was fluffy. First, they had a haiku battle of ginger stuff. Which was entertaining, and it WAS a quasi joke (joiku?) phase...

But then this N they have been discussing kgray's odd comments. And yet they, while presenting argumentative arguments arguing about kgray's thoughts, motivations, and purpose in life. But actually, their argements do not really... ummm... go anywhere.

They are both often fear-killed. Low-posters are liable to early daykill. Would it be beyond these two to formulate this sort of fakery?

There IS a marked difference in their postings. One is more erudite. One is more often simply reactive. But what-if what-if what-if these two are putting on a show?

Add to that... Jaimie has not noted anything about low posters.

Something to put away for later rememberating...

Sorry, I might not normally be a top talker?
My thoughts go nowhere?
Bo is a potential fearkill?

[ghug]

Another GM Note:
I will not be able to be around to process EON tomorrow and it will be Donny's first time, so have patience with the phase change.

If you want to be extra helpful to us, get your orders in earlier so I can help get him setup to process them while I am around.

My orders have already been sent ....

Inb4 Jamie asks if you're admitting to nightkilling someone.

[bozotheclown]

So reading EoD, I'm interested to know why @ghug was so keen to pull the votes off of Flum post-claim there. There seems to be an excellent reason why Flum's death was actually great (as there is now a very strong chance we have a second Spirit thanks to the Backup), so Flum's claim probably should have *increased* the reasons to vote him.

ghug posted this after the D1 deadline:

Get off Flum guys he's the spirit.

This does not exactly seem like a great effort to prevent Fluminator from getting DKed.

[ghug]

@dargorygel - I think you’re on to something regards Ghug and Bo. I need to isolate both of them but Ghug in particular. I felt (feel) that he is providing more heat than light by his quantity of posting and he may not be following the thread as diligently as a good townie would. I do need to look closer at this though as it’s feelings rather than analysis at this stage. There was an odd thing where he pulled someone up for a small font when he didn’t pull a prior example up. Maybe an example of not reading the thread and skimming and commenting enough to look engaged. Idk

I called out the small font specifically because it had already happened once.

[ghug]

Darg's morning tinfoil hat.

webDipMaf has had a trend lately that scum hide among the low-posters. Jamie, for instance, has indicated his intention to vote primarily among the low-posters.

Looking at the bot's summary of yesterday, two players who might not normally be among D1's top-talkers had extensive conversations with each other. (Bo and ghug) But their actual content was fluffy. First, they had a haiku battle of ginger stuff. Which was entertaining, and it WAS a quasi joke (joiku?) phase...

But then this N they have been discussing kgray's odd comments. And yet they, while presenting argumentative arguments arguing about kgray's thoughts, motivations, and purpose in life. But actually, their argements do not really... ummm... go anywhere.

They are both often fear-killed. Low-posters are liable to early daykill. Would it be beyond these two to formulate this sort of fakery?

There IS a marked difference in their postings. One is more erudite. One is more often simply reactive. But what-if what-if what-if these two are putting on a show?

Add to that... Jaimie has not noted anything about low posters.

Something to put away for later rememberating...

I think it is inaccurate to say ghug would not normally be one of the top posters D1. However, I could buy their interaction as scum theater, or that one recruited the other. Maybe HR, ghug, and scum number 3 recruited bo_sox.

I would never recruit bo

[ghug]

ghug's latest N1 post was at 17:35, bo_sox's latest post was at 17:33. Maybe they both left after discussing N1 actions in scum chat.

ghug was actively posting during the 2 post clusters that aligned between HR and bo_sox, although ghug posted a lot D1.

There's this thing called bedtime

[bozotheclown]

Darg's morning tinfoil hat.

webDipMaf has had a trend lately that scum hide among the low-posters. Jamie, for instance, has indicated his intention to vote primarily among the low-posters.

Looking at the bot's summary of yesterday, two players who might not normally be among D1's top-talkers had extensive conversations with each other. (Bo and ghug) But their actual content was fluffy. First, they had a haiku battle of ginger stuff. Which was entertaining, and it WAS a quasi joke (joiku?) phase...

But then this N they have been discussing kgray's odd comments. And yet they, while presenting argumentative arguments arguing about kgray's thoughts, motivations, and purpose in life. But actually, their argements do not really... ummm... go anywhere.

They are both often fear-killed. Low-posters are liable to early daykill. Would it be beyond these two to formulate this sort of fakery?

There IS a marked difference in their postings. One is more erudite. One is more often simply reactive. But what-if what-if what-if these two are putting on a show?

Add to that... Jaimie has not noted anything about low posters.

Something to put away for later rememberating...

I think it is inaccurate to say ghug would not normally be one of the top posters D1. However, I could buy their interaction as scum theater, or that one recruited the other. Maybe HR, ghug, and scum number 3 recruited bo_sox.

I would never recruit bo

Why not?