M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[bozotheclown]

Hey Bozo, are you keeping track of the responses to your survey?

yes

[seth24c]

90
Recruit (10)
Restless spirit (-25)
[those two are good, the rest I picked just to fill remaining space with minimal cost]
Fruit vendor (-24) [I thought I read somewhere that you could "sell fruit" or something; it was a source of income]
Neighborizer (-24) [cheap, and seems to do something]
Public Vanilla (-24) [also cheap, and it's not bad]
Voyeur (-26) [cheap]

A lot of this is just to get those first two, which, in my opinion, are the coolest.

5 roles lol. I really don’t know what to make of this at this point.

Do you think Macca could be pretending not to know things the mafia would certainly know by now?

Your own response also indicated not knowing things the scum would know:

Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:

What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?

Uh I’m just glad I didn’t have to choose. Looks like the extra recruit is an obvious choice and that takes most of the budget. Other than that it’s probably keep away from town more than anything. Does scum gain money as the game goes on? How do they get out of the negative if they were to go negative?

Do you now know how the mafia earn money?

The 5*n part of that post was what confused me as it almost sounds like a nightly allowance. I understand bulletproofing town is one option to gain money but am still not 100% about whether they get a nightly allowance?

I think it is possible macca may not know but it is so over the top I wonder if it isn’t an act.

##call gm does mafia get a nightly allowance?

[BunnyGo]

Hey Bozo, are you keeping track of the responses to your survey?

Of course he is....he's bozo.

And he just hired me as a third PR agent.

[Jamiet99uk]

##call gm does mafia get a nightly allowance?

I'm not the GM but this has been discussed. They get no "new" funds. The only way they can generate credit is by using the options that create credit in the setup, such as creating bulletproofs, etc. They have no ongoing new income.

[bozotheclown]

No one becomes straightup townclear but for example, the gladiator is almost definitely town because what scum team would want that or be afraid by town having that.

Bozo and Dargorygel both said (in reference to Bozo's survey) that they would select Gladiator as one of the Mafia picks if they were on the Mafia team.

So, immediately it is clear that the basis for your massclaim idea is flawed.

I agree there are some roles unlikely to be town, but I do not think gladiator is one of them. However, I do not think a mass claim is the best option now, anyone who is about to be the DK can claim their role and argue why it is unlikely to be a scum role.

[dargorygel]

Since scum already know each and ever role in play, all they lack is knowledge of who ended up with what. This makes any push to label people to role highly suspect, yes?

Is this a response to the idea of mass claiming?

Aye... but also I recall a couple of people asking questions that seem to be wanting to know who was, for instance stumpy? I do not have time to look back.

[dargorygel]

I also advise NOT crumbing. Scum know which particular PR's are out here. (It is why I am suspicious of teacon's talk about a softing of Fruit Seller, earlier.)

[kgray]

Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:

What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?

Uh I’m just glad I didn’t have to choose. Looks like the extra recruit is an obvious choice and that takes most of the budget. Other than that it’s probably keep away from town more than anything. Does scum gain money as the game goes on? How do they get out of the negative if they were to go negative?

These kinds of setup questions are so suspect to me. If you really didn't know you could read the setup and have an answer much faster than waiting for bozo to answer. And you don't seem like the lazy type, so I'm not loving this "I don't know how scum mechs work" angle from you.

[Hamilton Brian]

Why would they lie?

To muddy the waters? But then I imagine if they claim something, the person who actually has that role could call bullshit, play their role at night, maybe?

But in this case, we don't know what roles have been distributed, so how could we know?

[Jamiet99uk]

No one becomes straightup townclear but for example, the gladiator is almost definitely town because what scum team would want that or be afraid by town having that.

Gladiator is a cheap role that the mafia could want to prevent a town from using it to challenge them. Also, they could use it to seem likely town, possibly even challenging a scum to pass off whoever survives as a town clear.

Exactly. Flum saying "scum would not choose this role" just engages in a whole load of WIFOM where they might have chosen *exactly* that role in the hope of gaining towncred because "scum wouldn't choose that role".

Fluminator's massclaim idea at best creates one townclear whilst exposing the best town PRs to NK, and at worst exposes the strong town PRs and produces an enormous fog of WIFOM which Mafia can take advantage of to cause confusion and hide inside.

##VOTE FLUMINATOR

Nice try, Flum.

[Chaqa]

@bo_sox
@Chaqa
@dargorygel
@Hamilton
@HR
@Maniac
@Vecna

Can you please tell me what choices you would have made if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?

If not, can you please tell me why you can't or don't want to answer the question?

I hadn't put much thought into it, but I would probably do something dumb like going super far negative to get really good roles and a fouth member and day chat and stuff. High risk, High reward.

What's funnny is, I was thinking and I KNEW you would be doing some crazy meta-mechanical-analysis of the pregame purchases lol

[seth24c]

##call gm does mafia get a nightly allowance?

I'm not the GM but this has been discussed. They get no "new" funds. The only way they can generate credit is by using the options that create credit in the setup, such as creating bulletproofs, etc. They have no ongoing new income.

Ok thank you Jamie, I must have missed that discussion. Still not sure what the 5*n part of that post referred to.

[bozotheclown]

5 roles lol. I really don’t know what to make of this at this point.

Do you think Macca could be pretending not to know things the mafia would certainly know by now?

Your own response also indicated not knowing things the scum would know:

Uh I’m just glad I didn’t have to choose. Looks like the extra recruit is an obvious choice and that takes most of the budget. Other than that it’s probably keep away from town more than anything. Does scum gain money as the game goes on? How do they get out of the negative if they were to go negative?

Do you now know how the mafia earn money?

The 5*n part of that post was what confused me as it almost sounds like a nightly allowance. I understand bulletproofing town is one option to gain money but am still not 100% about whether they get a nightly allowance?

I think it is possible macca may not know but it is so over the top I wonder if it isn’t an act.

##call gm does mafia get a nightly allowance?

I believe "n" is just the number of players in the game, and that the only way to regain money is to no-kill or make town BPs.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why would they lie?

To muddy the waters? But then I imagine if they claim something, the person who actually has that role could call bullshit, play their role at night, maybe?

But in this case, we don't know what roles have been distributed, so how could we know?

And also, some roles are duplicates. There's more than one Faith Healer for instance.

[Chaqa]

I'll change my vote from HR, since it was only there because he surprised me by his silence.

I am going to pick a low hanging fruit, though. Low posters early on are in my scum pool.

Chaqa also had some odd things going on D1. He needs some chipotle, or he is scum.

##VOTE CHAQA

I'm still working on catching up... I made a decision to ignore the game until after pre-game since it seemed like a waste to talk much before I even knew my role.

[Chaqa]

I'll change my vote from HR, since it was only there because he surprised me by his silence.

I am going to pick a low hanging fruit, though. Low posters early on are in my scum pool.

Chaqa also had some odd things going on D1. He needs some chipotle, or he is scum.

##VOTE CHAQA

One of the things that bothers me about Chaqa is he told Fluminator he'd join him on Ghug, but then he didn't.

##VOTE CHAQA as I continue to catch up.

I... what?

That was clearly a joke...

[Jamiet99uk]

What's funnny is, I was thinking

Yes that's funnny alright.

Chaqa, since you are here, why did you tell Fluminator you'd vote for Ghug, and then, not do that?

[Jamiet99uk]

There are very few scum who wouldn't recruit ghug after that tbh.

We better daykill him no matter what today.

I'll sign that petition.

You are claiming this was an attempt at humour?

It's not very funnny.

[dargorygel]

I'll change my vote from HR, since it was only there because he surprised me by his silence.

I am going to pick a low hanging fruit, though. Low posters early on are in my scum pool.

Chaqa also had some odd things going on D1. He needs some chipotle, or he is scum.

##VOTE CHAQA

I'm still working on catching up... I made a decision to ignore the game until after pre-game since it seemed like a waste to talk much before I even knew my role.

How is your notebook going?

[kgray]

I was the only one who correctly read you last game. I'll give you a couple days to obvtown before I come after you.

you probably missed it, but kgray tricked me into thinking it was you i was talking to in jailed chat lol, so i was extra nice to you. and then she pushed my daykill for it

Yeah that was overall terrible and I regretted it instantly, and for the rest of the game. For some reason I was convinced you were either the item role or scum, and when you claimed VT and had me in your short list of potential jailers I just dug into my scumread...