M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[seth24c]

So what I was hoping with some pre-shift change votes would be, if most people had done it, it might have given us some MUCH LATER info... because that early, I wouldn't expect scum to drop a meaningless vote bussing.

Also, I think that non-participation (because scum would be less likely to drop a meaningless vote that would later be misinterpreted) might be AI.

I now have some small amount of sympathy for bozo and his schemes.

Interesting, I'd expect the opposite - that scum would be more likely to distance themselves from their teammates with meaningless votes that they can easily change before it really matters.

Yeah this doesn’t seem likely to have indicated anything either way to me. I think last game was a pretty good example that getting *too* much into the vca can lead down a slick slope since town can easily vote themselves into positions that look suspicious. With nothing at stake it would be even worse imo.

[seth24c]

Ok, that game that we lost terribly, I got a scent D1 and had gold in my sights. Scum
Last game I caught summit D1. Scum
This game it's Jamie. Sheep me

wtf you were summit's teammate and you weren't even pushing his wagon. This is fake news.

Lol I love it.

[seth24c]

They work with people who play lots of mafia because statistically you're going to roll town much more frequently than you'll roll scum, so even if you hamstring yourself when you do roll scum you'll still win more often if people believe them.

I don't understand...don't they just lie about them when they are scum? Or do they not play to their wincon as scum?

Lying about them defeats the point: The whole point is for it to always be true so that you can always clear yourself as town. Once established you may get a one-shot lie later on as scum, but you lose your honest meta then. And they generally avoid the point or find an excuse to get out of it as scum, but yes, they deliberately hamstring their scumplay to benefit their townplay. Which is why it's banned in most sensible places.

This is the only thing I remember seeing hr talk about so far.

[seth24c]

Teacon I'm honestly not understanding a lot of your posts.

Same here.

[seth24c]

Well that's disappointing. We could have been great together, scum

Yeah...I wouldn't mind seeing a kgray/bo competing wagon.

But you haven’t voted for either? Do suspect one more than the other?

[seth24c]

To be fair, I think it's quite possible the first day kill, if town, would be exhaling a sigh of relief.

Bunny, I like the cut of your jib so far in this game.

Hmm... Going to keep this in mind.

[seth24c]

Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:

What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?

Uh I’m just glad I didn’t have to choose. Looks like the extra recruit is an obvious choice and that takes most of the budget. Other than that it’s probably keep away from town more than anything. Does scum gain money as the game goes on? How do they get out of the negative if they were to go negative?

[Maniac]

I really like you
But your anger is fake as fuck
I will ##VOTE Vecna

##vote Bo - There may come a time when town need to count on players who can count. Also he hasn't yet made me a admin so obviously has no sense.

And this is the reason maniac switched his vote. Maniac is bo your top scumread?

I think Ghug is becoming my top scum read. He’s doing something/not doing something that I’m suspicious of. I want to see if he continues to do/not do it for a bit longer before I vote for him.

[seth24c]

Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:

What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?

I would probably go:
Restless spirit
Odd-Night Tracker
Fruit vendor (the give the maf money? I think I read that somewhere?)
Double voter (provided the vote works more than once)

Frankly, the biggest reason is a don't like roles with limited uses, I'd be scared to use them until it's too late.

Important note, I did not do the math for this, I don't know how much debt it is, it may be bad.

This almost feels like overplaying the “didn't think about it” card.

[Fluminator]

Apparently I was not clear, I would like everyone to please answer this question:

What would you have chosen if you were scum and were making the decision for the mafia?

recruit obviously. Probably daychat tbh. Then some of the free ones. And absolutely tree stump. I don't see a world where scum wouldn't want that one if it's +2?

[seth24c]

I would probably go:
Restless spirit
Odd-Night Tracker
Fruit vendor (the give the maf money? I think I read that somewhere?)
Double voter (provided the vote works more than once)

Frankly, the biggest reason is a don't like roles with limited uses, I'd be scared to use them until it's too late.

Important note, I did not do the math for this, I don't know how much debt it is, it may be bad.

Those who've played with Macca, is he crafty enough to fake this townslip?

Macca uses they/them pronouns, and if we hadn't been talking about the number of people on the scumteam then I'd say no, and they're certainly town, but since it's been in discussion I suppose there's a *slight* chance it's fake.

Lol I didn’t notice this at first either but I don’t think it could be classified as a strong townslip. It would be way too easy to fake, or even do accidentally as scum.

[Fluminator]

I refer you to my previous question.

I meant does the reason I picked them affect your answer.

It was just random, to make the question meet your conditions for being able to answer the question.

Ok. Well as others are pointing out, I'd recruit yet another scum because with a five strong scumteam in a game this size we'd be pretty overpowering. I'd also take the Public Vanilla and the Restless Spirit (to maintain voting power) and otherwise let the dice fall where they may.

????

[seth24c]

I think it's that there a 5 scumteam members? Does that include the recruit?

Now this feels forced

I thought I'd seen earlier questions about the recruit and numbers. That was the thing I was least sure about, so when something was wrong, this was my first guess.

Yeah feels pretty forced still.

[seth24c]

Oh hey Flum

[Fluminator]

Ok everyone. I get it. You didn't read the setup and townslipping so you're not scum. Can we stop townslipping now.

[Fluminator]

Okay Flum, I forgive you now.

##vote teacon7

why were you mad at Flum? Was there a point? I'm not going to look it up.

I'm lying...I'm going to look it up later. But I'm tired and want to see what you say.

I lost last game as third party so I chose to simp for the other team, not her team lol.

[Fluminator]

oops she answered right after.
oh well

Hi Seth!

[seth24c]

Finally caught up. Sorry all for the excessive quoting of posts.

[Fluminator]

I think we should massclaim and speedkill the treestump.
I haven't read all the roles super closely yet but some we could lump together a specific number as "important" and some could claim that so we don't give away our precise good ones.

[seth24c]

I think we should massclaim and speedkill the treestump.
I haven't read all the roles super closely yet but some we could lump together a specific number as "important" and some could claim that so we don't give away our precise good ones.

You’re proposing a partial mass claim?