M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[kgray]

I really like you
But your anger is fake as fuck
I will ##VOTE Vecna

##vote Bo - There may come a time when town need to count on players who can count. Also he hasn't yet made me a admin so obviously has no sense.

Aren’t you the guy who voted for yourself to break a tie between you (town) and someone on the scumteam last game?

It was town v town, tragically.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok. But why am I voting teacon?

Why are you asking me to tell you why you are voting for Teacon?

You voted for him. Why did you do that?

teacon all but begged me to. And he suggested it was for a mechanics reason. I don't understand the mechanics reason he is alluding to.

Then why did you vote for him?

Voting for someone because they dared you to vote for them; in circumstances you don't understand, is the sort of think I might do when I'm drunk, but it's not good play.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank goodness Kgray is here.

[BunnyGo]

Vote Count 1.1
Jamiet99uk (3) ghug, Hamilton Brian, Maniac
dargorygel (2) damo666, bozotheclown
Maniac (1) Jamiet99uk
Fluminator (1) kgray
Hellenic Riot (1) dargorygel
BunnyGo (1) teacon7
teacon7 (1) BunnyGo

Currently Jamie is set to be the first loser on this 'game show'.

There is a little less than 24 hours left of D1.

All Role PMs are out.

teacon, did you ask me to do this to see if either of us got the multiple voter thingie? Which doesn't work? Can I unvote now?

[teacon7]

Actually, quoting Andre the Giant...

I mentioned the role I did because it's the only one I could think of that related to Princess Bride. Gladiator makes more sense though: One uses different moves when fighting half a dozen men, than when you're fighting only one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwQ4Rtt_Os @ 1:44


@GMs
Thanks for the VC.

iff the doublevote is only revealed at EoD, then I apologize for pestering you about it. I was trying to highlight differences in live vote counts between now and when roles were assigned.

GM Post, not PM, specifically a Post!
For the simple ones: rdrivera2005 IS THE PUBLIC VANILLA.

With respect and sympathy for rdrivera, I'm wondering whether the right move here is to ##vote rdrivera. We can't know whether he's a VT or goon, but I can see a probable train of thought where maf picks that role as a less appealing as a daykill target. It also doesn't cost points, which they'd need lots of if they recruited a 4th scumteam member.

"Curfew is now in place. Return to your homes. Any congregating of two or more people outside of your homes will result in you being arrested on sight. Anyone possessing a firearm or any item or instrument that can be used as a weapon will be deemed an enemy of the state and will be arrested on sight.

Aren't some places are like this already, as the result of more regionally elected politicians?

You have misunderstood this role too (and so did I, until I re-read Worcej's exact wording in the role PM text).

The Tree Stump is basically a VT who can still post in the thread after they have died.

Until they die, their vote counts. After they die, they remain able to post, just not do anything else.

Right Worcej?

oh god. does this mean jamie will be posting all game?

teacon is feeling very pedantic and weird so far

Agree. but I'm always pedantic and weird. What were you really expecting from me? Also up until now I've been posting stupid stuff so scum didn't pick me, and maaaaaybe I could contribute to misdirecting them. With only 3 to 18 players, it seemed probably to me that the talent pool in the game favored town for the first half of d1. Shade away, friend.

hey, if you can make the argument why scum would spent points to paint a giant bullseye on Rdrivera when he's not dead yet D3, be my guest.

VT might make scum!rdriv seem harmless. Also: doesn't choosing that role cost 0 points?

Someone is either going to miskill me because of my haikuing or miskill me because I stopped haikuing when they told me to stop haikuing and they're going to think that I caved to their amazing pressure so I'm just gonna do it myself and stop haikuing

But I will admit
It has been a ton of fun
To perform for you

I like how you did this now, right after roles (and maybe one more alignment pm) has been assigned. @bo_sox: Why now and not 4 hours ago?

theres a much easier way to do it though. if I havent actually replaced out and im not using some over the top stupid gimmick, im probably not scum

Were you scum when you only communicated by drawing pictures?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=list+of+burn+ ... near+vecna

[kgray]

why can't he have randed public vanilla as a scum recruit?

Ahem.

Why is it impossible that the scum chose to have this role among their team?

First of all, look at us having stupid arguments about it.

and

Second of all, it was 0 cost, so they would have credit to spend on something really funky.

Well, one has to wonder why the scum team would choose to have a role that people are going to be asking "why on earth are they still alive" if they make it even into the midgame

It's not a confirmed town role and it has no powers, so why would scum be anxious to kill it?

[BunnyGo]

I cannot believe
I didn't get recruited
It's total bullshit

...

I'm trying to decide, but I think you're actually more likely to post this if you got recruited. Maybe equal. You definitely wrote it prior to finding out.

[teacon7]

@bunny - I was under the impression that the double-voter's power would be represented live in the VC's. That means we could see the difference between votes cast then, and votes cast now. Even if not-everyone voted, we'd be able to narrow down that pool. Hence I was asking for a VC before and after the 24-hour mark. That said, it looks like I was wrong, and the double-vote won't be made obvious until EoD, so it doesn't matter.

[kgray]

It bothers me that you seem to be OK with and even attempting to reinforce the idea that we should settle into me vs. Flum day one.

Disagree, this seems like the kind of thing town!Jamie would do to me. The one time I played with scum!Jamie he hung back and let things unfold without bringing much attention to himself.

That is not how I remember scum Jamie.

How do you remember scum Jamie?

[BunnyGo]

Trust Tells/Honest Meta don't really work on this site because we don't play games with a high enough frequency

How do they work normally? Doesn't it just make it impossible for scum to ever win?

They work with people who play lots of mafia because statistically you're going to roll town much more frequently than you'll roll scum, so even if you hamstring yourself when you do roll scum you'll still win more often if people believe them.

I don't understand...don't they just lie about them when they are scum? Or do they not play to their wincon as scum?

[kgray]

theres a much easier way to do it though. if I havent actually replaced out and im not using some over the top stupid gimmick, im probably not scum

When I tell people about my scum meta, I usually only include the parts I think I'm capable of improving.

Your buddying doesn't need improving, and you mentioned that a lot last game

[bozotheclown]

I would like to know what everyone would have chosen if they were scum and were making the decision for the mafia.

Here is what I would have done:

Encrypt Day Chat
Recruit Additional Mafia Member
Tree Stump
2-Shot Neighborizer
1-Shot Gladiator

Third of all, why do you want to know this?

Fourth of all, if I had been Mafia it would have depended on who my Mafia team mates would have been, because some people are better in certain roles than others, so your question is hard to answer. For example, I would never want Bo_Sox to be a Gladiator if he was on my team. You see?

Two reasons, first, to get an idea of different options the scum might consider, second, because the mafia probably do not want to answer the question.

[bozotheclown]

I would like to know what everyone would have chosen if they were scum and were making the decision for the mafia.

Here is what I would have done:

Encrypt Day Chat
Recruit Additional Mafia Member
Tree Stump
2-Shot Neighborizer
1-Shot Gladiator

Third of all, why do you want to know this?

Fourth of all, if I had been Mafia it would have depended on who my Mafia team mates would have been, because some people are better in certain roles than others, so your question is hard to answer. For example, I would never want Bo_Sox to be a Gladiator if he was on my team. You see?

What would you do then if you were scum with HR, Maniac, and Macca?

[Fluminator]

pls stop voting me kgray. I promise I won't throw to scum this game.
And in my defense I wasn't 100% sure Nanook was town.

[BunnyGo]

##UNVOTE

Someone help me work out if Ghug is scum or just really bad town.

It's true...there are no other options.

[BunnyGo]

##UNVOTE

Someone help me work out if Ghug is scum or just really bad town.

Are you asking if he's 3p?

Wait...wait...IS THAT AN OPTION I MISSED?! THIS SETUP IS CRAZY!!

[bozotheclown]

I would like to know what everyone would have chosen if they were scum and were making the decision for the mafia.

Here is what I would have done:

Encrypt Day Chat
Recruit Additional Mafia Member
Tree Stump
2-Shot Neighborizer
1-Shot Gladiator

this seems like a great losing strategy lol. you want to have that gladiator on town so they can self-buttfuck

What would you have done then?

[bozotheclown]

I would like to know what everyone would have chosen if they were scum and were making the decision for the mafia.

Here is what I would have done:

Encrypt Day Chat
Recruit Additional Mafia Member
Tree Stump
2-Shot Neighborizer
1-Shot Gladiator

this seems like a great losing strategy lol. you want to have that gladiator on town so they can self-buttfuck

Yeah.

Also seems wiser to pluck as many investigative roles as possible, but maybe bozo prefers to defund the police.

What would you have done then?

[Hellenic Riot]

How do they work normally? Doesn't it just make it impossible for scum to ever win?

They work with people who play lots of mafia because statistically you're going to roll town much more frequently than you'll roll scum, so even if you hamstring yourself when you do roll scum you'll still win more often if people believe them.

I don't understand...don't they just lie about them when they are scum? Or do they not play to their wincon as scum?

Lying about them defeats the point: The whole point is for it to always be true so that you can always clear yourself as town. Once established you may get a one-shot lie later on as scum, but you lose your honest meta then. And they generally avoid the point or find an excuse to get out of it as scum, but yes, they deliberately hamstring their scumplay to benefit their townplay. Which is why it's banned in most sensible places.

[Fluminator]

Teacon I'm honestly not understanding a lot of your posts.