M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[worcej]

Anyways, Nanook is an unknown at this point - I am of the opinion at this point they're most likely 3P. Strong candidate for traitor though based on the 'meh' vibe, but probably just town.

seth/ghug/kgray/Donny/HR/MF - these are who I believe are my other town players. Mostly by process of elimination (kgray/HR/ghug/seth being my town reads)

This leaves Maniac... who I am unsure of anything, similar to Flum. A lot of people reference previous games/experience, but I am don't know what all that is or how good they are. 3P or traitor seems the most logical.

[worcej]

And with all this junk - I am out for the night.

I'll check in the AM to see what people are interested in knowing more of.

[Nanook]

I’ve never subbed out of a game cause it wasn’t fun in my life and I don’t plan to start now just cause you’re getting uppity

Oh trust me, this is not uppity. You'll see more F bombs and other name calling when I am that, trust me.

My first comment of you should sub was a legitimate attempt to say 'hey, if you're not happy, you don't need to suffer through this'.

And fwiw I don’t think I should be townread for it, that seems kinda silly.

Nor do I think anything I’ve said has been over the line to say if I were mafia—if I can say it as town I can say it as mafia, I pretty firmly do not believe in different standards for what town/mafia can say or do.


At any rate, I’m happy to not keep talking about it

This is a matter of personal opinion - if you're scum, I will think your tactics to get the win were underhanded and manipulative, but that's just me - I am a sore loser after all.

It’s an irrelevant point given my alignment but I would argue pretty strongly that if it’s unacceptable for mafia to say it then it’s unacceptable for town too. Double standard based on alignment is shitty and leads to perverse incentives.

[Fluminator]

Not entirely sure if I can arrive at any conclusions from this, but it is interesting to add into some reads. Flum has been incredibly wrong on his reads/pushes so far or is just content with pushing town through multiple days...

To be fair, I'm far from the only one to be dead wrong on things this game.

[Durga]

Oh worcej. Please. Not again. I don't think I've ever built a case in my life.

[Durga]

Honestly I obviously need to reassess. There's probably a deep scum or two between flum/hr/kgray. I felt really good about HR but after that mediocre push on Moscow and not much else I'm not sure about it anymore.

My energy is depleting thanks to this survivor game I'm playing because of flum. Feel free to nk me now thanks

[Fluminator]

I would 100% kill you in this game if I was scum Durga. You have important stuff to be doing.

Please scum take her out.

[worcej]

Not entirely sure if I can arrive at any conclusions from this, but it is interesting to add into some reads. Flum has been incredibly wrong on his reads/pushes so far or is just content with pushing town through multiple days...

To be fair, I'm far from the only one to be dead wrong on things this game.

It isn't that you are wrong, it's that you've been wrong every time so far and several of your scum reads have been flipped at this point.

[worcej]

Oh worcej. Please. Not again. I don't think I've ever built a case in my life.

Yeah, sure - but last game when I scummed you, you would actually make some statements applying alignment or that someone was sketch.

This game, you seem less involved... less obvious. You even said yourself, your scum game 'sucks' - I think you're doing just enough to suck honestly.

[Durga]

Oh worcej. Please. Not again. I don't think I've ever built a case in my life.

Yeah, sure - but last game when I scummed you, you would actually make some statements applying alignment or that someone was sketch.

This game, you seem less involved... less obvious. You even said yourself, your scum game 'sucks' - I think you're doing just enough to suck honestly.

Actually my scum game is pretty good now, check the last one. New year new me.

[Durga]

I would 100% kill you in this game if I was scum Durga. You have important stuff to be doing.

Please scum take her out.

You always have my back

[worcej]

I am a bit sus of Tom's entrance.
He's pretending his scum game is terrible so if he is a modicum of useful everyone will townread him.

Bunnygo's heart doesn't seem quite as with it as last game yet but it could be d1 fatigue considering we just had one.

Prado used to be obvtown when he was town? Has that changed recently or is he just easy to catch as scum?

##vote Bunny

Bunny's claim was clearly nonsense as I pointed out almost immediately he made it.

I'm annoyed that we allowed Chaqa talk us into DKing TrPrado.

If he is an Item role he will surely have used last night if not N1 and can prove himself (I think, haven't thought about in depth).

Therefore imo we give him 24 hours and then hammer if he's not come up with the goods.

I'm 99% certain he's scum.

Scumposting

(Note: you also voted damo before gun shot under the notion the top person would be shot.)

I scumread him Tom. I just scumread a ton of people right now

(This was directed at Flash on D4)



Also, super red-herring and probably a dumb rabbit hole.

I will likely be gone for almost all of friday.

In case I die in no particular order:
Susses
Worcej
Bunny
Prado
Vecna
Ghug (a few red flags, not enough to be a serious scumread, but just make sure you don't rule him out yet)

Probably town:
Kgray
HR
MoscowFleet
damo666 (weaker after the maniac push)
Chaqa lol
Durga (not as strong)

Neutral
Seth
Donny
Tom (his vote on summit was really well timed so probably more likely town)
flash
Bozo
Nanook
rdrivera
Maniac

Italics and underline are flipped players. In the Neutral group, there stands out an easily possible grouping of the available scum team that could be a signal to show you know who the remaining scum are... Grouping them all together in a neutral group would be an easy way to try to communicate 'Hey, I know you guys are a group!'

Also - these posts strikes me as a re-signal to the scum team, that you made on N2 when they need to try to re-convert you:

What would you guys say if I revealed Bozo is actually a scum deep threat?

What would you guys say if I revealed Bozo is actually a scum deep threat?

Oh, you have insider knowledge on this?? Tell me more

Every game I've been studying Bozo's personality trying to get in his head. I think I'm finally in his head. And in his head he's playing a scum game.

Then this on D3:

A couple hints.

You're not a robot like you pretend to be. You shut off all emotions in these types of games because you're worried they'd affect you.
The fact that they affect to degree you have to shut them off means you are actually quite empathetic. You therefore struggle with the more vicious part of the game of getting innocent players killed as scum.

I notice you bus a lot as scum. This further supports my theory that you don't like going against players you know are innocent. It's emotionally taxing for you to go against innocent players and set up miskills.

So inside your head is quite interesting, and explains your town and scum game pretty well to me.
I'm getting tired so I'll continue this tommorow.

First, if you have concluded I bus a lot as scum, I do not think you are really looking at any past games. Second, it is just a game.

The games I've played with your scum game you bussed.
Games make up the fabric of society.

You know what bozo for sure did if he's scum with you? He bussed D1.

In general, I really think you're hella scum Flum and you're getting my vote on D6.

[worcej]

Note: the analysis excludes the obvious Bunny!scum read we all had...

[Fluminator]

Yes, it's easy to cherrypick someone's history when they have 400 posts and actively pushing things.

I notice you left out me being right on Summit and Vecna. And why are you including my bozo scumread from a couple days ago. He hasn't been flipped yet?

[Fluminator]

Your scumread of me literally coming out of nowhere after a few people mentioned scumreading me is hella suspicious. I hope you're actually around to participate soon because so far it's almost entirely consisted of you catching up and not actually doing anything.

[Fluminator]

Wait I actually read it. This is quite bad. You seriously counting me being suspicious of Vecna, pressuring him, changing my read on him to townreading him as me incorrectly scumreading him?

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

E.M.C^42 has replaced MoscowFleet

[e.m.c^42]

I will outright say, I'm going to be a terrible sub since without looking at the bot, I'm not even sure what phase we're in.

But anyways, hello all, hello all :D

[worcej]

Yes, it's easy to cherrypick someone's history when they have 400 posts and actively pushing things.

I notice you left out me being right on Summit and Vecna. And why are you including my bozo scumread from a couple days ago. He hasn't been flipped yet?

Being right on summit isn't hard, considering it was a potential bus, so no credit given for that.

Also - being right on a towny (Vecna), only to be subsequently wrong on the other option and push it on the next opportunity, is not good either. In fact, mentioning that as if a way to invalidate my reads is funny because it's incredibly easy for scum to call someone town... when they obviously know they are town.

In general - Your reads seem to be barely adapting over time and we're just slowly going through your list of candidates.

[worcej]

Your scumread of me literally coming out of nowhere after a few people mentioned scumreading me is hella suspicious. I hope you're actually around to participate soon because so far it's almost entirely consisted of you catching up and not actually doing anything.

My scum read was based initially on feeling something isn't right about you.

Then I dug into your history, and thus you have my case I put forward on you.