M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[worcej]

Once again, screw it - I am going to join the 'will post during night club'. Perhaps it's because I cannot be jailed... or not... up to you scumbos!

Anywho...

I'm going to just start with this: I think Flash's response to votes/pressure have been incredibly towny at this point. I am pretty sure he is town and scum had a nice little town v town yesterday.

Based off feel/tone/drive, I am going to go with this: ##vote Flum

I don't get an obv!town from Flum in any sort of way and if my above thought process is correct, he was definitely in the driver's seat for that experience.

What do you think flash would be doing here if he were scum?

Do you think scum Flum would put himself this far out there just to get town flash killed? Why?

Checking the bot and now catching up, how do you feel knowing my read on Flash was correct?

Why would Flum do it? Well, for one, now we're at 7-4-1 with this DK, soon to most likely be @ 6-4-1 unless scum accidentally hit the 3P

Also, if no replacement for MF shows up, who knows what result we get? He's probably town honestly, meaning we're at 5-4-1.

Back on subject of Flash - Flash oozed the 'screw this, you all don't believe me anyways' mode that I always give off when town decide to campaign someone foolishly, such as when they do it me too. It was pretty evident he was town, glad to see I got that right (small victories for me when I read someone correctly) but ultimately as I chain post here, I am going to point out some obviously scummy posts.

[worcej]

Your explanation was literally "I'm playing differently than you remember a few years ago"
It's shit lol

No, being performative is scummy. Setting things up before someone flips is scummy.

I'm excited to see what made the Flum wagon evaporate.

[worcej]

Flum, if I leave you alone today, do you promise to self-vote tomorrow?

Shit reason considering the current team perspective...

[worcej]

The worcej scumread coming out of literally no where is interesting to me and I want to see what else happens.

Apparently nothing.

[worcej]

Vecna 2.0

I'm excited to see who else jumps on. (And to see if ghug's chill with it like he was Vecna)

Well worcej's vote certainly looks opportunistic, and similar to his Vecna vote D4. I also just noticed he'd been scumreading bozo and then bozo made a 1-paragraph case against Vecna, and suddenly worcej goes out of his way to call bozo town and agree that Vecna was scummy, while saying "this amount of analysis is too good to ignore." It was really not a lot of analysis by bozo's standards.

Counter notes: bozo's analysis was deeply rooted in multiple days and interactions, so dismissing the content as 'not a lot' just because it was one paragraph is misleading.

I also indicated, before following bozo, that bozo is clearly obv!town with his analysis approach.

[worcej]

But to give you a semi-serious reply Seth...when I “don’t play” I get flamed for “not contributing”...when I do have the time to sit down and play I get told some version of “you’re dumb” or “you’re bad”...so my motivation to explain my reads and engage people is very low rn. It’s nothing particularly personal this just isn’t the kind of game/environment that I enjoy, so my drive to push this game in a direction I think it should go really isn’t there. I’ll continue giving my reads, I’ll engage when I have time/people are asking good faith questions (i.e., not “why are you useless” type ones), but 25-30 posts a day in two bursts and an attempt to make whatever EODs I can is probably just what you’re getting from me at this point

I refer to my previous comments about requesting a sub based on the underlined portion.

If you're honestly not enjoying yourself and don't have the motivation to play, then that is what you should do.

Telling someone they should sub out is kinda crappy tbh

Plz don’t

It's just as crappy as someone saying they don't like the culture of the website they are playing the game on and refusing to put much effort into the team-based game.

You might not like hearing me say you should sub, but if you're town (and thus on my team) in post-game I will be upset knowing you didn't put the effort in based on your feelings. If you would've subbed, perhaps we could've won with someone who wanted to try?

If you're not on my team (aka, you're scum), then you're using personal opinion and dissatisfaction as a tool to avoid suspicion, which is pretty nasty.

That being said, I don't feel bad or out of line to say you should sub out. You've actively brought up how you don't like our 'culture/style' and if that's true then do something about it.

[worcej]

I'm not into a Seth wagon. I could vote Moscow, but I'd probably stay on one of Flum and flash if Flum involved himself.

Maniac's behavior is scummy, but I think others are right to say that summit was less likely to claim up against a teammate, which limits him to traitor or 3P.

Hey, we disagree on something!

I'm not voting for Flum today. I'd be alright with Moscow too, and I don't mind seeing flash flip even though I'm not totally convinced he's scum and not just stubborn town.

I'll join bozo on ##vote seth for now.

I cannot remember why you wouldn't possibly vote Flum - was there a town read or is it you just scum others more?

[worcej]

I'm bored ##VOTE Moscow

That fast? Damn...

[Fluminator]

Worcej, you scum bro?

[worcej]

##VOTE flash

Sorry guys and gals

##vote flash

The deciding votes on Flash over MF - who will most likely be modkilled unless a sub pulled out of some rat-hole...

I bet it'll be Squigs or Foxcastle.

But a more fun question is - why did these two pick flash over MF?

[worcej]

Worcej, you scum bro?

I am most certainly not.

I am just glad scum choose to let me go for as long as they did. They should've pushed me earlier

[worcej]

Moscow might actually be getting modkilled eh?
We can get two birds with one stone

This comes off incredibly scummy in hindsight.

[worcej]

Sorry for being MIA - Been a tough day.

Yes I town read Durga, but I’m a bit lost in this game so I’m guessing.

Lazy town or bad excuse scum?

[worcej]

He won't be modkilled - Not only are there subs signed up, but at least one of them has been reading the thread at various times (hi teacon)

Oh, I never saw Teacon. My theory on the sub is probably off based on that.

[worcej]

Donny you're not in jail. Talk to me.

How do you know this?

[Nanook]

I refer to my previous comments about requesting a sub based on the underlined portion.

If you're honestly not enjoying yourself and don't have the motivation to play, then that is what you should do.

Telling someone they should sub out is kinda crappy tbh

Plz don’t

It's just as crappy as someone saying they don't like the culture of the website they are playing the game on and refusing to put much effort into the team-based game.

You might not like hearing me say you should sub, but if you're town (and thus on my team) in post-game I will be upset knowing you didn't put the effort in based on your feelings. If you would've subbed, perhaps we could've won with someone who wanted to try?

If you're not on my team (aka, you're scum), then you're using personal opinion and dissatisfaction as a tool to avoid suspicion, which is pretty nasty.

That being said, I don't feel bad or out of line to say you should sub out. You've actively brought up how you don't like our 'culture/style' and if that's true then do something about it.

unsubscribe

[Nanook]

I’ve never subbed out of a game cause it wasn’t fun in my life and I don’t plan to start now just cause you’re getting uppity

[Nanook]

And fwiw I don’t think I should be townread for it, that seems kinda silly.

Nor do I think anything I’ve said has been over the line to say if I were mafia—if I can say it as town I can say it as mafia, I pretty firmly do not believe in different standards for what town/mafia can say or do.


At any rate, I’m happy to not keep talking about it

[worcej]

General comments:

• Jailer - your NK is the unknown about when lylo/mylo will hit and thus I cannot assess how people are pushing or not. Scum know if you've used it or not, but I assume you have not since you haven't claimed at this point.
• Other PR - Hope you chose well overall. It may be worth just claiming what you did if no scum dies tonight and if we lose the jailer.
• 3P - sorry you rolled the Freelancer. The Riddler is by far more fun.
• Scum - you suck.

Scum Team Thoughts:

1. Durga has crept up my scum~dar only because I struggle to remember a moment where she has actually built a case or pushed someone. I get the sense that her team is doing the heavy lifting (fake cases) while she plays support behind the scenes with her sheeping, which she has been doing fairly constantly this game. This theory would lead me to believe bozo, ghug, and/or Flum are with her as a team.
2. Bozo is more active in case development than he typically would be as scum. His current 'unresolved reads' are seth and Donny, which is unfortunate that they are still out there for him to tunnel. A striking issue I have with bozo: He spent a lot of D4 pushing a narrative of flash being scum, yet when his vote mattered (Flash and Venca were tied), he voted for Vecna without ever having a case made for him. This strikes me as not town!bozo in hindsight, now that we also know flash is town too and that he took the opportunity to get Vecna when he could.
3. Flum... I just don't feel good about him... that's all I really got honestly - it just feels wrong.
4. I still cannot find an obvious traitor signaling his team, but I am fairly sure they are

Another thing - this is D2's Vote pattern btw:

TrPrado (9) Fluminator, flash2015, Chaqa, BunnyGo, Tom Bombadil, kgray, Vecna, damo666, Durga
BunnyGo (5) worcej, Hellenic Riot, seth24c, ghug, TrPrado
seth24c (4) MoscowFleet, bozotheclown, Donny Dude, Nanook
flash2015 (1) Maniac

Not entirely sure if I can arrive at any conclusions from this, but it is interesting to add into some reads. Flum has been incredibly wrong on his reads/pushes so far or is just content with pushing town through multiple days...

[worcej]

I’ve never subbed out of a game cause it wasn’t fun in my life and I don’t plan to start now just cause you’re getting uppity

Oh trust me, this is not uppity. You'll see more F bombs and other name calling when I am that, trust me.

My first comment of you should sub was a legitimate attempt to say 'hey, if you're not happy, you don't need to suffer through this'.

And fwiw I don’t think I should be townread for it, that seems kinda silly.

Nor do I think anything I’ve said has been over the line to say if I were mafia—if I can say it as town I can say it as mafia, I pretty firmly do not believe in different standards for what town/mafia can say or do.


At any rate, I’m happy to not keep talking about it

This is a matter of personal opinion - if you're scum, I will think your tactics to get the win were underhanded and manipulative, but that's just me - I am a sore loser after all.