M60 - Duck Season? (Director's Cut) - Game Thread

[Fluminator]

So the people who voted you over Vecna? You think scum wanted you dead before Vecna?

[Nanook]

This post reminded me that flash did this before, I check and it was M56.
flash's pattern of voting for the same player at the beginning of D1 goes back further than when he started voting for summit D1. I suggest reading flash's D1 of M53, M55, and M56 for reference.

And his alignment those games was...?

He was mafia in M56 where he did not change his vote D1. In M53 and M55 he was town, and in those games he changed his vote during D1.

This is helpful, I’ll take a look

[kgray]

OK, after multiple interruptions I had a quick scan. I am not sure I can give townreads...but if I had to guess a scum team right now it would be Donny, Flum, Worcej and perhaps Moscow.

Are those your top 4 independently, or do you think they make sense as a team? Do you really not have a single townread?

[Hellenic Riot]

Couldn't tell if he was trying to pocket me or make himself look good on my flip. Clearly as it turned out he was just defending his town reads. Near the end he was clearly town (First time I could tell for sure) and I saw that and that the vote couldn't be tied so I voted hoping others would also switch there vote. Knew it was a longshot but it was worth trying. Plus maniac had some garbage post about vote for vecna for towncred so that was also a factor that made me think mistakes were being made.

What exactly made you think Vecna became clearly town at the end?

How he was acting.

How exactly did the way Vecna was acting change in the final minutes of the day and thus suddenly make him clearly town to you?

[Nanook]

And his alignment those games was...?

He was mafia in M56 where he did not change his vote D1. In M53 and M55 he was town, and in those games he changed his vote during D1.

This is helpful, I’ll take a look

I’m now convinced

##vote flash

[Nanook]

He's come in to play the "y u dare accuse me" card and the "im happy to die" card. Those are attempts to earn cred in my eyes.

I meant on D1, as in he’d do more than just leave it as a joke/try to put something that looks like actual reasons behind it


Maybe flash is the exception but ime most scum players aren’t actually comfortable just having joke votes out an entire day, even one on their partner, and feel the need to either move off it or pivot it to being a serious vote at some point. Maybe flash is the exception, idk, but that’s broadly been my experience

Do you not think flash's questioning why summit hadn't voted counts as him trying to put an actual reason behind it?

Ehhhhhh

Not really, but bozo’s prompting to look at other games he’s done similar stuff and how it varies from town to scum is more convincing imo. Small sample size caveat, but he does seem a bit more elastic with his vote/willing to move it as town.

[Donny Dude]

He was mafia in M56 where he did not change his vote D1. In M53 and M55 he was town, and in those games he changed his vote during D1.

This is helpful, I’ll take a look

I’m now convinced

##vote flash

Was there anything that stood out nanook?

[Nanook]

I don’t think I said people are treating me like trash? It’s just a culture thing I think, it’s not enjoyable for me but if it works for you guys then it works for you guys. I’m not interested in trying to change your norms—I don’t expect people to change just cause I don’t particularly enjoy parts of the environment here lol

Where do you play normally that this place is considered bad in comparison?

When I called ghug a hoe it wasn't intended as an insult and I'm sorry if that offended you. The world needs hoes and no shame.

I’m not offended, it just isn’t a fun place for me. It’s not the ribbing I don’t give a fuck about that stuff. Between the two games I’ve played here there’s been some stuff that seems to cross over into borderline mean spirited, people throwing temper tantrums, a bit of an “if you don’t play the way we expect you to you’re useless” attitude sometimes

Like I said it doesn’t really matter, I’m not trying to change anything nor am I even saying you should change, if you guys enjoy it and it works for you then it’s not an issue, i just don’t personally find webdip mafia games to be an enjoyable environment.

I don’t think is a conversation that particularly needs to continue past this

[Nanook]

I think you generally try to push him somewhat so you get credit for being on him

I wouldn’t consider flash useless from what I can remember I feel like he’d be able to at least make some attempt at getting cred, seems unlikely he’s one of the worst scum players I’ve ever seen

Then what is your take on summit then?
Is he also in the same category as flash if the two were swapped for d1 wagons?

Summit’s already flipped mafia so I don’t follow this question?

[flash2015]

OK, after multiple interruptions I had a quick scan. I am not sure I can give townreads...but if I had to guess a scum team right now it would be Donny, Flum, Worcej and perhaps Moscow.

Are those your top 4 independently, or do you think they make sense as a team? Do you really not have a single townread?

How many sets do you think there are?

[flash2015]

He was mafia in M56 where he did not change his vote D1. In M53 and M55 he was town, and in those games he changed his vote during D1.

This is helpful, I’ll take a look

I’m now convinced

##vote flash

Why? Did you actually look at these games?

[flash2015]

OK, after multiple interruptions I had a quick scan. I am not sure I can give townreads...but if I had to guess a scum team right now it would be Donny, Flum, Worcej and perhaps Moscow.

Are those your top 4 independently, or do you think they make sense as a team? Do you really not have a single townread?

How many sets do you think there are?

Who do you think is a potential scumteam?

[kgray]

OK, after multiple interruptions I had a quick scan. I am not sure I can give townreads...but if I had to guess a scum team right now it would be Donny, Flum, Worcej and perhaps Moscow.

Are those your top 4 independently, or do you think they make sense as a team? Do you really not have a single townread?

How many sets do you think there are?

I'm asking if you think they're scum based on their interactions with each other or if they're individually scummy on their own. Can you list the reasons you have to scumread each of them? The only person you've given any reasoning for is worcej, I think.

Do you really not have a single townread?

[flash2015]

Are those your top 4 independently, or do you think they make sense as a team? Do you really not have a single townread?

How many sets do you think there are?

I'm asking if you think they're scum based on their interactions with each other or if they're individually scummy on their own. Can you list the reasons you have to scumread each of them? The only person you've given any reasoning for is worcej, I think.

Do you really not have a single townread?

I don't understand the question - if I am not putting someone in my scumteam, what else can they be?

I am not going off their interactions with each other. I was choosing people individually. Perhaps if I get more time later in the day I will write something more. For now you can take it or leave it.

[Donny Dude]

I think you generally try to push him somewhat so you get credit for being on him

I wouldn’t consider flash useless from what I can remember I feel like he’d be able to at least make some attempt at getting cred, seems unlikely he’s one of the worst scum players I’ve ever seen

Then what is your take on summit then?
Is he also in the same category as flash if the two were swapped for d1 wagons?

Summit’s already flipped mafia so I don’t follow this question?

Yes, true. I was trying to determine if flash and summit were slots you read the same or differently based on different game states.
If someone had asked you at end of day one about summit, What would you have said?
I know that d2 you said you did not have a read on summit.

[kgray]

Are those your top 4 independently, or do you think they make sense as a team? Do you really not have a single townread?

How many sets do you think there are?

Who do you think is a potential scumteam?

I really have no idea. I'm struggling to figure out who I think is most likely scum, let alone form a whole team that makes sense.

I think Donny and Maniac are my current top two scumreads, but Maniac probably only as the traitor. I'm also fairly skeptical of seth, Nanook, you, and Moscow.

[flash2015]

Then what is your take on summit then?
Is he also in the same category as flash if the two were swapped for d1 wagons?

Summit’s already flipped mafia so I don’t follow this question?

Yes, true. I was trying to determine if flash and summit were slots you read the same or differently based on different game states.
If someone had asked you at end of day one about summit, What would you have said?
I know that d2 you said you did not have a read on summit.

Who do you think are a possible scumteam, Donny?

[kgray]

How many sets do you think there are?

I'm asking if you think they're scum based on their interactions with each other or if they're individually scummy on their own. Can you list the reasons you have to scumread each of them? The only person you've given any reasoning for is worcej, I think.

Do you really not have a single townread?

I don't understand the question - if I am not putting someone in my scumteam, what else can they be?

I am not going off their interactions with each other. I was choosing people individually. Perhaps if I get more time later in the day I will write something more. For now you can take it or leave it.

I don't understand how you can pick 4 people that you think are scum, keep everybody else as a townread without differentiating between them at all, and not give reasons for why you think those 4 should be singled out.

[Donny Dude]

Summit’s already flipped mafia so I don’t follow this question?

Yes, true. I was trying to determine if flash and summit were slots you read the same or differently based on different game states.
If someone had asked you at end of day one about summit, What would you have said?
I know that d2 you said you did not have a read on summit.

Who do you think are a possible scumteam, Donny?

Honestly in order
Flash, bozo, nanook I am not sure on the fourth.
Poss maniac, but I am less sure sure on that.

[flash2015]

Yes, true. I was trying to determine if flash and summit were slots you read the same or differently based on different game states.
If someone had asked you at end of day one about summit, What would you have said?
I know that d2 you said you did not have a read on summit.

Who do you think are a possible scumteam, Donny?

Honestly in order
Flash, bozo, nanook I am not sure on the fourth.
Poss maniac, but I am less sure sure on that.

So you think bozo and nanook are bussing me?