M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

Why aren't you sus of me at all Bunny? Because it maybe implicates you with the bozo theory thing? Or are you trying to pocket be subtly? I have noticed you have low key defended me quite a few times and I'm really not sure why.

Heck, if I was anyone else and town in this game, I'd be hella sus of me rn

Because I’m a master of this game. I think I’ve finally attained the nirvana level of it that Flum aspires to, and that when it is attained it is fleeting.

I can read your mind. I have read the intentions, the meta play, the mistakes, the guidelines.

Yes, you “look” suspicious on the surface. But dig deeper and realize that it is from “mistakes” that town!Durga makes from lack of knowledge. Scum!Durga makes different mistakes.

Now take Seth: he made the level 1 type scum errors that you think I’ll ascribe to you. HtF did as well. They look scummy for it.

Goldie made the type of scum mistakes that I’d be more suspicious of you for. He’s scum scum scum.

@Flum: join me in Nirvana. We all suck, we’re all great. We’re having fun. Shoot Gold, I’ve never missed yet.

Leave me and Durga and bozo alone. You’re all failing.

Oh, hello there.
If Gold is the top wagon at 6EST I'll shoot him.
Nirvana is the state where we're self aware there's no such thing as a good mafia player and everything is luck. The Moscow kill was probably luck.
You are correct it's fleeting. I always end up tunneling. You're tunneling too. You've convinced me to refresh though and I'll reread him.

Fine then ##vote gold.

Join me and make this happen!!

[TrPrado]

I would now like everyone to stop derailing the thread with kgray's ridiculous theory. It's blatantly anti town to waste space discussing it vs actual scum reads.

I don’t think pursuing a theory that’s already half proven is anti town when the potential reward is winning the game rather easily, especially with how minimal the risk is. If bozo flips any role other than the traitor the theory is essentially done with. If it’s a miskill then uh oh that’s our first. We’ve already killed 2 scum.

[BunnyGo]

If we’re really having an EOD today, I’m going to miss it for the holiday. I’ll see what I can do.

[Fluminator]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

Wait. He what now? There is no role block character.

Factional role block...got it.

ok... maybe slight town points because I missed there being one too. But town slips are so easy to fake.

[summit_fever]

*tinfoil hat on*

vecna starting to nail moscow on a vote of me, coupled with some nice pocketing of me, makes me a lil nervous. Also didn't see a typical vecna night 1, and now he really wants to nail bozo on something that just isn't likely.

I nailed moscow as soon as he made his first post. I was trying to garner attention to him being scum way before you voted him.

I just didnt think people were going to wagon him with me on d1 since people usually ignore me d1. As soon as I tasted that you and Kgray were interested it was go-time.

Also, what pocketing? I said you were super-easy to read, I wouldnt take that as a compliment necessarily.

As for the Bozo thing....it matches some of my suspicions, so ill squeeze it until im happy one way or the other

I thought this post might be an attempt at pocketing me.

Why would you say this? What about vecna was scummy at this point?

I will move my joke vote off of Tom and place a slightly more serious vote on ##vote summit. What struck you as scummy from Vecna? Why do you have like 6 separate joke-posts?

Also Bunny, if you could chill just a bit and not clog up the thread so much, that would be great. I love your activity, but let's try to keep it mafia-related please. If I have to read any more about which cartoon character you are, I'm going to go a bit... loony.

Vecna's opening posts seemed weak to me. I don't scumread him at this point.

for what its worth, I thought your post attacking me wasnt bad at all, and my opening was a tadbit below average.

durga and mf that were attacking you over it are both on my radar

[rdrivera2005]

Why aren't you sus of me at all Bunny? Because it maybe implicates you with the bozo theory thing? Or are you trying to pocket be subtly? I have noticed you have low key defended me quite a few times and I'm really not sure why.

Heck, if I was anyone else and town in this game, I'd be hella sus of me rn

Because I’m a master of this game. I think I’ve finally attained the nirvana level of it that Flum aspires to, and that when it is attained it is fleeting.

I can read your mind. I have read the intentions, the meta play, the mistakes, the guidelines.

Yes, you “look” suspicious on the surface. But dig deeper and realize that it is from “mistakes” that town!Durga makes from lack of knowledge. Scum!Durga makes different mistakes.

Now take Seth: he made the level 1 type scum errors that you think I’ll ascribe to you. HtF did as well. They look scummy for it.

Goldie made the type of scum mistakes that I’d be more suspicious of you for. He’s scum scum scum.

@Flum: join me in Nirvana. We all suck, we’re all great. We’re having fun. Shoot Gold, I’ve never missed yet.

Leave me and Durga and bozo alone. You’re all failing.

Oh, hello there.
If Gold is the top wagon at 6EST I'll shoot him.
Nirvana is the state where we're self aware there's no such thing as a good mafia player and everything is luck. The Moscow kill was probably luck.
You are correct it's fleeting. I always end up tunneling. You're tunneling too. You've convinced me to refresh though and I'll reread him.

Gold? There is no one voting Gold.

I am not completely sold on Bozo being scum, but you should shoot him so we can get back to actually scum hunting.

I don't like this game Bunny. Drunk Bunny is usually fun and this drunk bunny was just chaotic and hang over Bunny is too esoteric to my taste. Next he will start to ask people's zodiac sign or something like that.

[Vecna]

I would now like everyone to stop derailing the thread with kgray's ridiculous theory. It's blatantly anti town to waste space discussing it vs actual scum reads.

I disagree, and would like you to stop derailing the theory with the same defense. It's blatantly pro-town to follow a pattern that achieves town results. Granted, I already scum read Bozo, but your insistence that it's bad because "bozo is smarter than that"(?) doesn't hold merit.

Here:

Why is it dumb enough that were contemplating it? Just 3 posts earlier you'd state you would believe it if you were town.

tundundun

No... I said I'd believe it if all four of us flipped scum.

I think Vecna was referring to this post.

I’d join you on Seth over Durga.

Why aren't you sus of me at all Bunny? Because it maybe implicates you with the bozo theory thing? Or are you trying to pocket be subtly? I have noticed you have low key defended me quite a few times and I'm really not sure why.

Heck, if I was anyone else and town in this game, I'd be hella sus of me rn

Which makes a similar point.

It looks to me like you've seen a decent plan which you initially dealt with in a normal way. But now that it's starting to pick up steam and you're on the run, you are trying to push it out with mostly meaningless points.

Even beyond the exact specs of this theory, a lot of people are getting worried about the mentioned players, and your method of deflecting this heat is not, in my opinion, a towny one.

You can't think up good intellectual reasons for why it is wrong because it's not.

huh. this post is actually something a bit more agressive

[summit_fever]

What "loose-cannon style"? I tried to be very careful when I played scum. I'm more reckless now, but what frame of reference are you using?

You always seemed to tear things up in your first two games. Didn't see any comments on worcej bashing a mass-claim early and stuff like that. It's different and I guess I didn't expect it.

Well... it shows how much I know. I thought I was being evasive, and avoiding doing much at all.

Also, what does the 2nd sentence mean?

An example of something that might have elicited a reaction from you in earlier games, but didn't seem to here.

[Fluminator]

Noooo, Hthefourth

[BunnyGo]

Is nobody else suspicious of Seth?

[Fluminator]

Flash and Yav just jumping on someone and leaving bugs me.

Flash/Food/Yav/Wor are all just completely staying out of the limelight right now.

[BunnyGo]

Flash and Yav just jumping on someone and leaving bugs me.

Flash/Food/Yav/Wor are all just completely staying out of the limelight right now.

It should.

[Durga]

Are you sticking with that thing from before?

Am I what?

the msg

What message?

[summit_fever]

That is typical when there is a doctor who can self save, but with a potential cop, the mafia could us the RB on someone else.

I'm not sure you engage in nightkill analysis, but do you have an opinion as to why damo was nightkilled?

Goldie thought he was a PR because he was trying to talk about Flash.

I'm not sure I get you. If you're referring to this post:

Alright, after consideration I'm inclined to give damo a break. I'm remembering the play from the matrix game where damo outed themselves as a PR and then the rest of the ship. So this isn't exactly out of character. But I'm not townreading them. Kgrays comment just rang very true that this is an easy scum bus. So let's have the scum work a little harder.

##Vote TrPrado, I suppose. Seems uncharacteristically mild this game, with lots of low-thought town-flavored comments peppered in frequently enough for him to be seen as contributing.

I don't read that as Gold suggesting Damo is a PR.

[summit_fever]

Because he started his suspicion of moscow when moscow went to his more serious vote of me, which seemed based on my unsupported vote of vecna.

And vecna didn't do much of anything night 1 while suggesting there was a lot of analysis to work through.. Then comes in day 2 really wanting to do bozo over for something that just isn't that likely.

Except 2 out of those 4 people he voted flipped scum

1 of the remaining 2 is defending the other unflipped, stating a vague townread while noone townreads that slot

And 1 made an angry "joke" asking why Bozo just kept screwing over his team.

So why isnt it likely? Why is it more unlikely that traitor Bozo just once again did a dumb gimmick?

It is more unlikely because Bozo already has a track record of lonewolfing the role. I have no reason to believe he would intentionally leave a floodlit trail to the rest of his scumteam on his page 1 iso. It is much more likely he picked off some posts that rubbed him the wrong way and a couple of those early posters were actually scum.

Vecna claimed the RB as scum in M44.

Standard meta is to kill and roleblock your nightkill? Is vecna's day 1 going to lead to scum being very concerned he's a PR?

I was the most townread person in the game, so its not like it was going to clear me or give town any more information. Its also not like id need to use a gimmick like that as scum here.

Its interesting though that Bozo was almost waiting with that tidbit of information about me being the only one to self-roleblock as scum before. M44 is quite a while ago.

I took a look at that last day in M44 and I don't find it that surprising Bozo may recall that--Bozo was very much involved in ending that game.

[Durga]

I feel like Vecna and I are not properly communicating this game

[Vecna]

Flash and Yav just jumping on someone and leaving bugs me.

Flash/Food/Yav/Wor are all just completely staying out of the limelight right now.

yeah, yav.....

Im still susp of the post where i outlined exactly why MF was scum, yavuz quoted it and stated how obv town I was for it.....but later forgot all about reasons for why MF was scummy, and even resorted to scumreading me shortly at some point (I think when the MF wagon was picking up steam?).

I dno, might just be yav being yav. im not used to him being this bold and outspoken, and certain in his statements.

[Vecna]

Am I what?

the msg

What message?

titanium

[Durga]

the msg

What message?

titanium

Yes

[summit_fever]

I think it more likely town!vecna would be snapping town out of the idea that bozo actually signalled traitor by voting his scumteam immediately on day 1.

Do you not remember Vecna in M55? He was tinfoily as can be.

Do you think vecna is tinfoiling here?