M59 - Duck Season? - Game Thread

[summit_fever]

*tinfoil hat on*

vecna starting to nail moscow on a vote of me, coupled with some nice pocketing of me, makes me a lil nervous. Also didn't see a typical vecna night 1, and now he really wants to nail bozo on something that just isn't likely.

This was me towards vecna in the last game and he was town. Man is just low key brilliant. If he survives too long it'll be suspicious anyway so this is the kind of player that will sort itself out and there's no reason to worry about it.

You also questioned me on voting vecna and I don't think he said anything.. Since M55 he hasn't rolled scum.. *shrug* if he gets to leaaholalo don't let him win.

[Durga]

*tinfoil hat on*

vecna starting to nail moscow on a vote of me, coupled with some nice pocketing of me, makes me a lil nervous. Also didn't see a typical vecna night 1, and now he really wants to nail bozo on something that just isn't likely.

This was me towards vecna in the last game and he was town. Man is just low key brilliant. If he survives too long it'll be suspicious anyway so this is the kind of player that will sort itself out and there's no reason to worry about it.

You also questioned me on voting vecna and I don't think he said anything.. Since M55 he hasn't rolled scum.. *shrug* if he gets to leaaholalo don't let him win.

I don't get it? What do you mean I questioned you on voting Vecna? Why would he say anything?

[summit_fever]

Town:

rdr/vecna/kgray I feel most confident in.

Bozo/Bunny/Flum are lower down in confidence. Flum could very well have been looking for an exit off the moscow wagon.

HR isn't looking bad either. Ditto Damo and Prado.
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I think it's possible Durga found a convenient method to signal being a traitor with her comments on never bussing and "Sorry team". She does make statements like that as town, but it seems reasonable she'd also look for an opportunity to signal in that manner.

Still haven't seen seth do anything I'd classify as townie. Getting on the moscow wagon right at the end with a "no ties" comment as well as being happy with it seems weak. Also, that "What's going on around here?" attitude to flash self-voting seems a little fishy to me since in his first game he saw worcej throw everything into a self vote...including forcing an eventual tie due to his selfvote.

Macca is too quiet for much more than a null from me. I really expected that loose-cannon macca style to shine as town.

Putting some pressure on worcej is a good idea. Prado's done a good job tearing through his iso.

What "loose-cannon style"? I tried to be very careful when I played scum. I'm more reckless now, but what frame of reference are you using?

You always seemed to tear things up in your first two games. Didn't see any comments on worcej bashing a mass-claim early and stuff like that. It's different and I guess I didn't expect it.

[summit_fever]

This was me towards vecna in the last game and he was town. Man is just low key brilliant. If he survives too long it'll be suspicious anyway so this is the kind of player that will sort itself out and there's no reason to worry about it.

You also questioned me on voting vecna and I don't think he said anything.. Since M55 he hasn't rolled scum.. *shrug* if he gets to leaaholalo don't let him win.

I don't get it? What do you mean I questioned you on voting Vecna? Why would he say anything?

Because he started his suspicion of moscow when moscow went to his more serious vote of me, which seemed based on my unsupported vote of vecna.

[bozotheclown]

The diplomacy game hthefourth mentioned that he was in with Tom ended only a month ago, I think it is suspicious that Tom twice indicated he did not know hthefourth, and hthefourth never commented on it.

[summit_fever]

You also questioned me on voting vecna and I don't think he said anything.. Since M55 he hasn't rolled scum.. *shrug* if he gets to leaaholalo don't let him win.

I don't get it? What do you mean I questioned you on voting Vecna? Why would he say anything?

Because he started his suspicion of moscow when moscow went to his more serious vote of me, which seemed based on my unsupported vote of vecna.

And vecna didn't do much of anything night 1 while suggesting there was a lot of analysis to work through.. Then comes in day 2 really wanting to do bozo over for something that just isn't that likely.

[summit_fever]

The diplomacy game hthefourth mentioned that he was in with Tom ended only a month ago, I think it is suspicious that Tom twice indicated he did not know hthefourth, and hthefourth never commented on it.

It wasn't anonymous but fourth was eliminated early in that game... Not out of the question he(?) wouldn't have recalled.

[summit_fever]

The diplomacy game hthefourth mentioned that he was in with Tom ended only a month ago, I think it is suspicious that Tom twice indicated he did not know hthefourth, and hthefourth never commented on it.

It wasn't anonymous but fourth was eliminated early in that game... Not out of the question he(?) wouldn't have recalled.

He was out by fall 03

[Durga]

I hardly remember the names of people I'm playing with in the moment. Also, this discussion is pointless, this is a mafia game not a diplomacy game, and there's no scummy reason for Tom to forget htf

[summit_fever]

The diplomacy game hthefourth mentioned that he was in with Tom ended only a month ago, I think it is suspicious that Tom twice indicated he did not know hthefourth, and hthefourth never commented on it.

It wasn't anonymous but fourth was eliminated early in that game... Not out of the question he(?) wouldn't have recalled.

I misread that, but either way, it isn't unlikely neither would have remembered the other.

I'm not even interested in defending fourth I find that hockey reference a plausible traitor signal.

[hthefourth]

I hardly remember the names of people I'm playing with in the moment. Also, this discussion is pointless, this is a mafia game not a diplomacy game, and there's no scummy reason for Tom to forget htf

@bozo, what were you trying to demonstrate?

[summit_fever]

Does anyone else find Tom's first two posts odd? The triggered me as I read them. I'm just wondering if anyone else sees it.

I noted it, but Tom-B is often awkward during d1

Oh I was talking about his interactions with Moscow. There's nothing suspicious about his first post.

OK, you think his first two posts are just stupid intro banter. No signal that he's the Devil and "knows everyone in the game"?

I do like the way youre thinking though, good thing to pick up on

I really have bad vibes from Damo again, but the hesitation after last game is bigly

I feel like everytime Tom is town he just gets bullied d1

Maybe its because I'm awkard according to Vecna lol

I mean, the thing noone talked about yet:

Maybe you did get that Taz flavour. Maybe your only source of information was the signup thread and you thought noone would connect the Taz flavour to the traitor. Maybe you hoped scum would have the wherewithal to connect that Taz would be the missing bad-guy flavour on their team.

I dont -really- think that is what happened, but its a possibility.

The main reason I think you were probably just truth-telling is because I estimate youre my generation, and I knew a bunch of kids walking around with shirts like that. They were pretty cool

Seems like a smooth defence of Tom to me. I think it's unlikely, but if there is deep scum on moscow's wagon, it wouldn't surprise me if it was vecna.

[Fluminator]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

[Fluminator]

Yess Durga, that's more like it.
If Bozo didn't out you, I'd probably be town reading you now...

[summit_fever]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

That's true..They don't have to use the roleblock, and if they knew Tom was jailed it might be time to gamble.

[summit_fever]

Yess Durga, that's more like it.
If Bozo didn't out you, I'd probably be town reading you now...

So you don't have the gun?

[bozotheclown]

I hardly remember the names of people I'm playing with in the moment. Also, this discussion is pointless, this is a mafia game not a diplomacy game, and there's no scummy reason for Tom to forget htf

@bozo, what were you trying to demonstrate?

That Tom probably knew who you were but pretended not to as an excuse for ignoring you.

[bozotheclown]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

Vecna claimed the RB as scum in M44.

[summit_fever]

Didn't Vecna claim roleblock? I'd be almost willing to conftown him for that (the traitor is the only possibily I see) I know he's naturally very scummy and I've led many miskills on him in the past but I don't think I've ever seen scum self rb before, especially with this many PRs in a game.

Vecna claimed the RB as scum in M44.

Standard meta is to kill and roleblock your nightkill? Is vecna's day 1 going to lead to scum being very concerned he's a PR?

[summit_fever]

I think it more likely town!vecna would be snapping town out of the idea that bozo actually signalled traitor by voting his scumteam immediately on day 1.