Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[BobMcBob]

For those that have been playing this for a long time, quite a bit is discernible from just the chat (or so they want to make themselves believe at leasT). Thats what this game is all about. You cannot just wait and sit around for stuff to happen. You make it happen yourself by ruffling feathers and creating discussion to determine which people are honestly trying to figure shit out, and which people are just bullshitting around to try and appear as such.

This is actually a very helpful summary. I think actively hunting is what I struggle with, I just kind of plop reads and assume that's enough... Thanks for clearing that up. Now I just have to work out how to actually go about hunting.

[BobMcBob]

Actually, xorxes. I have scum on xorxes too, but I cannot quite place why. Something just seems off about the way he's played in previous games and this, but I'm not sure exactly what. Perhaps what Vecna/Macca were talking about?

[TheMadMonarch]

Yeah, quite happy with that early call on Macca

Does that mean you agree with me? Or don't trust me?

Im weakly agreeing with you, but for different reasons. I think your reasoning is pure though, and I think youre town for calling it out in the way you did.

I appreciate the support.

But I'm getting worried abut my decision because, as it turns out, all of you know a lot.

[JF1981]

For those that have been playing this for a long time, quite a bit is discernible from just the chat (or so they want to make themselves believe at leasT). Thats what this game is all about. You cannot just wait and sit around for stuff to happen. You make it happen yourself by ruffling feathers and creating discussion to determine which people are honestly trying to figure shit out, and which people are just bullshitting around to try and appear as such.

This is actually a very helpful summary. I think actively hunting is what I struggle with, I just kind of plop reads and assume that's enough... Thanks for clearing that up. Now I just have to work out how to actually go about hunting.

agree with this- and actually getting a phase or two under our belts would be good to see how it works in practice!

[xorxes]

OK I am claiming PR.

Claims so far:

PR: xorxes
Non-PR: damo

Today I will be voting to lynch among non-claimants. If everyone claims, then I will vote among non-PRs (unless we have 13 PR claims, which would be awesome).

Vecna's advice is all good except for his opposition to a massclaim based on the absurd notion that we should not be trying to make the game easier to solve.

[Vecna]

##vote Xorxes

[xorxes]

##vote Xorxes

You are voting for a PR.

##VOTE Vecna

[Vecna]

The fact youre advocating for a mass-claim, and then state straight after you will lynch whoever does not claim, means youre just rolefishing and/or looking for an easy out to not have to solve Xorxes. You do not actually want to do this to "increase our chances of winning".

Lynching unclaimed people immediately ruins the entire strategy, since you immediately have a flip that can never be verified. Meaning you will never know how many scum youre dealing with in the pool of PRs and VTs.

Did not really think that through now did you?

You cannot force this strategy if people refuse to participate. Ive told you I will not. I will die and take my role to the grave before I claim.

Now, you can try and spin it in such a way that you wanna call my bluff, or think id only do this as scum, but you know very well youre never going to win that one.

[xorxes]

I haven't played here before, so I don't know what someone's towny post looks like.

Right, I understand that now. Why do you think his post is accurate?

I don't think/know it's accurate. But it's a lot of information, from what I've assumed is strong reasoning and observation.

If you assume my "information" comes from strong reasoning and observation, then you would be more likely to think I'm town. But you have not answered which information you think I have. I gave some reads, that's not information, is it?

[xorxes]

bobmcbob and macca are both obvtown

Town's the good thing right?

Lmao

The thing with new players is you can never be quite sure if they are serious or if they are playing the newbie card.

[xorxes]

There has been a slight issue in reasoning for scumreads so far but I am too sleep needy to suss it out. Note for later.

emc is most likely town.

[xorxes]

Before going to bed, I am going to make a first tentative townlean list, in no particular order: brain, emc, worcej, Donny, rivera (@rivera, don't get spooked).

I am also happy that HR had similar thoughts as I did, happy that summit declared me town (I'm easily pocketable like that), and reasonably happy with Vecna thinking more or less opposite than me. Also TheRealCottonmouth's entrance does not look like a scum entrance. Need more from them though.

That leaves: Bob, macca, Chaqa, flash, Durga, damo who have posted, and Bismark, bozo, JF, The FlyingBoat as the non-posters. Most of the scum are probably among these 10.

Am I out of line for being surprised by the read-strength youre trying to project this early here? You normally have quite a bit more doubt this early in the game.

What read-strength? I purposefully said "first tentative townlean" to make it clear it was a first tentative list.

And people saying what I "normally" do and getting it all wrong are very annoying. But you did the same thing last game and you were town, so NAI.

[Vecna]

so thats it? Youre just gonna claim and then go poof?

[Vecna]

cross-post. bah

Maybe I should just change my mind on this to make a clear statement once and for all that all setups should either be closed or vanilla.

I have no real idea how you find this way of playing the game fun Xorxes

[JF1981]

Town's the good thing right?

Lmao

The thing with new players is you can never be quite sure if they are serious or if they are playing the newbie card.

Trust me- dont often admit to being a Noob at anything in life... but here i am :)

[xorxes]

I don't like massclaims on theory, but you are right that a massclaim or a PR/VT claim favours town on this game. I only fear some town refuse to claim and turn it into a bad option.

It's not a bad option if some town refuse to claim, just less good.

[Vecna]

I think JF is also town

[Vecna]

I don't like massclaims on theory, but you are right that a massclaim or a PR/VT claim favours town on this game. I only fear some town refuse to claim and turn it into a bad option.

It's not a bad option if some town refuse to claim, just less good.

If some refuse, its a terrible plan. It only works if you brute-force it through since you learn absolutely nothing of exact location of scum if even 1-2 refrain.

[Vecna]

im right here to discuss this boring plan of yours xorxes (well not really yours, but you get my drift)

[xorxes]

cross-post. bah

Maybe I should just change my mind on this to make a clear statement once and for all that all setups should either be closed or vanilla.

I have no real idea how you find this way of playing the game fun Xorxes

The fun for me is in finding scum. I don't believe a massclaim breaks this game, it just improves our chances of finding scum. It forces scum to make tough decisions early, before they have time to consult with their teammates. I don't really see any fun in playing suboptimally. The only acceptable reason to play a game suboptimally is when you are playing with a child and you want to make it fun for them, so you don't do your best to win.