M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[foodcoats]

I’m feeling a lynch in the group of Neph, Bozo, flash, Vecna, or Sarah today

Vigilante should pop a lurker if there is one

Join me on Vecna. If that doesn't fly then switch to Bozo. How's that?

I’m thinking about it. I’m probably crashing for a few hours in a minute here

Why Vecna? Do you think scum!Vecna could've latched to the Secretary comment that Donny made in the way it played out? It seemed very organic and rapidfire, not something I would normally expect from scum.

Neph or bozo would be okay. Sarah is probably a bad choice, because we don't want to mislynch.

[TheMarche]

marche, I probably have like 70 pages :p

I'm screaming internally for you.

[Jamiet99uk]

Catching up from p.136. Comments as I go.

[foodcoats]

I have rethought the Donny/emc/chaqa situation. I think the easiest explanation is that Donny was just unlucky in referencing secretary and was in fact town implying EMC almost certainly town and also Chaqa (his instruction post not making sense otherwise).

If we take this pov Vecna becomes suspicious. I also didn't like him disappearing (I acknowledge he gave an excuse but his 'drunkposting' reappearance looked very false (and I should know)).

##vote Vecna

I also have my suspicions about Neph. His posts have been very strange, quasi sacrificial in nature. Maybe he has a scum role that if lynched he takes someone of his choosing with him.

And what is food self voting all about.

I think self voting should be against the rules.

I think your reasoning on Donny is correct - especially if you look at the flow of votes onto Donny. The people who voted Donny early, up until vote 8 or 9, really look quite townie in how they do it. I initially thought that scum would be in the middle of the wagon, but I read all those characters and I really thought they were all pretty genuine and non-opportunistic - except for my grand read of Chaqa, but I have learned that was incorrect. I'm pretty sure that any scum on Donny were near the end instead, or were off on vanity wagons.

I really don't think Vecna is scum...

I was angry at xorxes failing to understand what is pretty elementary, namely that scum!emc would never claim a wild story. emc is an old hand at this and wouldn't unnecessarily complicate their cover story.

##VOTE Bismarck

again for now.

[foodcoats]

Neph is definitely a tanner lol

Lynch me, see what happens

... I think we should call his bluff, guys.

Hmm yeah I feel like town!Neph gets angry at being suspected, not hokey-jokey-why-dontcha-thurr-bud.

[rdrivera2005]

Yea that’d work but I think it more likely that it’s s/s if chaqa is scum. The whole thing of claiming etc seems swing that way

Who you taking with you Neph?

So your saying in a game that’s roughly 4:1 I’d 1:1 with someone as scum?

Why people are playing this way? I have a feeling Nephtys is bulletproof or something like that, but it's not good play to attract the lynch this way as it kills info.

And Damo suggestion is non-sense, but at least it looks regular town Dqmo, lol.

[damo666]

Why are you voting me Damo?

I think you set up the Donny thing

[rdrivera2005]

Vecna Neph Bozo Flash Demon on my dodgy list.

My town assumptions in no particular order: food brain Jamie March summit Xorxes emc Chaqa

Others: darg fox Sarah kgray Bismark

Missing someone

Sorry rdr. Add to others

I feel a bit offended.

[rdrivera2005]

I am about five pages short. But i am going out the door for an unexpected drive to see my grandbaby.

I'll be back by EoN.

I didn't like the xorxes/einstein conversation. Not only because it was too long. But because it still seems like emc is not revealing everything.

He might just be playing his cards close to his chest. Like a PR would.

But he hasn't told us openly, now that he has 'claimed,' everthing about his old or new hats. (for instance, what is revealed about the dead guy (donny) when he flips? How was donny chosen? WHY was donny chosen? At want point (if at all) did einstein say, "i wanna absorb donny?' was it when emc still scumread donny so loudly? etc.)

So I'd still like to see what he is.

Dargo is lazy. Really lazy. Town lazy or scum lazy? This push on emc without really reading the thread point me to scum lazy. I would not mind lynching Dargo today.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm still on pages 136-137 so perhaps this has been discussed further, but here is proof, for me, that EMC is lying about his role. First let me recap some key points, which are:

1. EMC told us that he started as a Third Party with NO win condition.

2. EMC told us that his "power" caused him to take on the role and alignment of the first person to die.

Now, Xorxes was explaining why he thought voting for EMC was a good idea. Here's the important snippet from p.136:

For me that's the main reason, it pretty much tells us Donny's alignment

Ayy, so here's my question. How?

If you flip town, he has to be town (no reason you would be lying about that). <snip>

If EMC's original claim was true, he would not ask this question.

If EMC's original claim was true, he would know that he had taken on Donny's alignment, since that is what he had claimed.

By asking "Ayy so here's my question. How?" he slipped up. This question reveals that he does *not* neccesarily have the same alignment as Donny did.

So his Town Tracker claim is false. He was lying.

##VOTE EMC.

If this has been dis-proven by events in the last 15 pages, someone point that out to me?

[foodcoats]

Nephthys is very hard to read, there are some things that show Neph is not paying attention to the thread, and other things that are obviously hard working to try to explain and understand, which is townie.

So... probably should not lynch Nephthys.

[Jamiet99uk]

Sure, all of his posts and all of my posts after he died. But if you're scumreading me then you have no reason to believe that I'm Donny's role, do you?

Right. But the logic is if Donny is scum, then emc is scum. Not if emc is scum, Donny is scum, or if emc is scum then he took Donny's role.

What is the link between Donny and I, then? If I didn't say anything, there would be absolutely no relation between us two, correct?

This works the other way, too, though.

If we assume, for a moment, for the sake of argument, that EMC is truthful town, then it follows that Donny must also have been town.

But in that case, EMC would know that Donny had been town, and would not have any cause to ask why his own (EMC's) flip would reveal Donny's alignment.

Thus, EMC is lying.

[Foxcastle]

One thing that just occured to me, and so I'm gonna address it now.

If donny was town, wouldnt we expect something from EMC that indicates it. Some post, some crumb.

It seems weird that he had the ability to effectively de-janitor the kill and yet held on to it for so long...

Are you serious? Are you actually serious, you are not this inane lmao

I obviously wanted to stay hidden as tracker. When you are a decently significant town PR in a role madness game you generally don't want to claim.

See, from the scum point of view, they know that Donny was town and that he was likely telling the truth - which means they can safely assume that tracker (and watcher with it, as typically there's only one out of the two roles present) is out of the equation when considering night actions.

I'm an unlikely target for roleblock or NK typically, which meant that I had a pretty good chance of tracking a handful of people and succeeding.

Also, if you rolled scum, you wouldn't want people to figure that out either...

[Jamiet99uk]

So here is my case against EMC summarised as succinctly as I can:

Okay what do people think we gain from lynching emc?

We don't KNOW donny was scum or town, so we are just inferring from donny's presumed slip we should lynch emc.

Any other reasons?

For me that's the main reason, it pretty much tells us Donny's alignment (which I think was scum, but I can't be 100% sure of course).

Ayy, so here's my question. How?

Town EMC, telling the truth about being a Universal Backup who replaced Town Tracker Donny, would not ask this question[u/].

There are only two possible conclusions:

1. EMC's claim that he is Universal Backup who replaced Town Tracker Donny is a lie,

and/or:

2. EMC is not Town.

It is possible that 1 and 2 could both be correct. It is also possible that 1 is true on its own and EMC is Town but for some reason everything he has said so far is a lie. I cannot see the sense in that so I conclude that EMC is lying, and is not Town, and we must lynch him.

[Jamiet99uk]

Urg, excuse my underline error. The case is clear anyway. EMC is lying and is not town and we should lynch him.

[Jamiet99uk]

Foodcoats, I see you are here.

Please read my last three posts and then vote for EMC, thanks.

[e.m.c^42]

You misread lol

[foodcoats]

Foodcoats, I see you are here.

Please read my last three posts and then vote for EMC, thanks.

You're taking a single line and removing it from context.

I also have information not available to you.

[Foxcastle]

I'm 10 pages behind and will have to catch up tomorrow. Mechanics-driven discussions are not my forte, though.

Oh, good, I'm only 12 pages behind now...

[foodcoats]

Like instead of nitpicking just remember emc is a human player who can strategize.

You think scum!emc writes this cockamamie and tries this line?

You have made me realize though that if emc is not town they are still 3P with the tracker ability... and not scum.

But 3Pemc would still play more carefully.