M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Nephthys]

@Neph:

Why are you ignoring my questions?

No, I had 30 or so pages to read and thought I had answered everything, ping them for me and I shall asnwer

Pages 129 and 130.

I wanted to know why you were only asking Bozotheclown specifically about whether you'd claim jailed or roleblocked if blocked by a jailor.

I wanted to know why you said the Mafia didn't have a roleblocker, and I wanted you to clarify if you meant no factional roleblock or no Hooker.

I would say that I answered that in my followup to bozo, However I was working on the assumption that worcej's post indicated there was no mafia roleblock, not just factional RB

[Nephthys]

@bozo quick question. If a jailer targets you do you claim jailed or roleblocked?

I have never been jailed that I remember, but it is different than being roleblocked, so I would assume you would find out you were jailed.

Yes but you have been referring to the roleblock quite a bit and I was interested as to whether in your mind this was synonymous with being jailed. Considering that worcej has claimed that there isn't a mafia roleblock, you seem awfully sure that the jailer is town. Can you expand on this?

@Jamie

[xorxes]

my understanding

He thought donny was scum
Donny had pushed some form of masslcaim
That makes the most sense if there is a daychat.

I think it's a nice take on it.

Because Donny would not have thought of the 1-10 question without someone feeding it to him, or what?

No it comes from the idea that scum want a massclaim. It also gives him nice cover if/when it is uncovered that there is a daychat, it doesn't look as bad

The 1-10 rating doesn't require scum coordination. If anyone had taken it seriously it could give scum a rough idea of good NK targets. I still don't see the connection with daychat. It was not about a mass claim.

[e.m.c^42]

Chaqa can confirm this, but I had floated claiming some sort of oneshot retro scan, or another role that was simply linked to Donny. I didn't want to claim tracker until midgame at the very least.

Why did you tell Chaqa about your role if you wanted to keep it hidden?

I decided he was town, and thought it'd be better to have the information out there for future reference in case something happened and I died. I also thought he was a lot better at misdirection than he decided to be, and that it would've been good to get a second opinion regarding who to track through the nights.

Already said that in hindsight made a poor decision.

[e.m.c^42]

Chaqa said no to claiming any sort of scanning ability.

[Nephthys]

Because Donny would not have thought of the 1-10 question without someone feeding it to him, or what?

No it comes from the idea that scum want a massclaim. It also gives him nice cover if/when it is uncovered that there is a daychat, it doesn't look as bad

The 1-10 rating doesn't require scum coordination. If anyone had taken it seriously it could give scum a rough idea of good NK targets. I still don't see the connection with daychat. It was not about a mass claim.

And yet it would be stronger with coordination.
1. Assuming they have fakeclaims, it means they can iron out who has what and how they can manipulate their answers to give them the most freedom to fakeclaim later.
2. Without then yea you are more correct. I still think that anything that forces everyone to commit can be stronger with coordination.

[foodcoats]

Okay what do people think we gain from lynching emc?

We don't KNOW donny was scum or town, so we are just inferring from donny's presumed slip we should lynch emc.

Any other reasons?

[e.m.c^42]

Okay what do people think we gain from lynching emc?

We don't KNOW donny was scum or town, so we are just inferring from donny's presumed slip we should lynch emc.

Any other reasons?

See, the major issue with xorx's train-of-thought is that if Donny was scum, why is he believing me in regards to the 3P inheritance then? It doesn't hold up and feels like an excuse.

[foodcoats]

Chaqa

- Why open that you need to +1. I see no benefit of town Chaqa doing this. As scum, its perhaps a reason for people to keep you alive.
- After 4 hours posts a read list.... what???? (also doesn't back up a scumread with a vote)
- I don't know to make of him saying Donny giving up is towny. Especially after he stated the slip is one of the best D1 catches we've ever had, it seems hedgy. Almost like he was hoping others would question their votes.
- I find it interesting how Chaqa said we need to kill or believe Donny only yet is very keen to test EMC. Some shift in logic there.
- Also he called a lurker when I had top 10 posts...

If EMC flips scum. Chaqa is scum.
If EMC flips town then Chaqa is likely not scum

Chaq had a whole thing about testing donny when donny claimed tracker.

The thread proves you are lying or not paying attention

So... Donny is claiming tracker. Thoughts:
1. This is a valuable role if town
2. This is an easily provable role

It does irk me, but I don't think scum would claim this lightly. We could do something like, ask 2 people to step forward who have visiting roles, but not super important ones, and tell Donny to pick one of them to track.

Then, that person could confirm who they visited after Donny reports.

That said, there's so much room for mafia manipulation that it may be too much of an investment. I say we either lynch him now, or presume his innocence and validity as Tracker going forward. No half-measures.

He also had this,

can you direct me to where he suggested testing Donny?

That's it right there.

Youre just reading it from your scum perspective where you lock onto details. Instead of understanding how people naturally compose press in mafia

[foodcoats]

Okay what do people think we gain from lynching emc?

We don't KNOW donny was scum or town, so we are just inferring from donny's presumed slip we should lynch emc.

Any other reasons?

See, the major issue with xorx's train-of-thought is that if Donny was scum, why is he believing me in regards to the 3P inheritance then? It doesn't hold up and feels like an excuse.

Probably they're realizing you are tracker and trying to drive

[e.m.c^42]

Now say that you lynch me and I flip scum. What do you learn? You won't know anything about Donny's alignment for sure, or Chaqa's, or if I was lying about the 3P role or not.

Or lynch me and I flip tracker, town lynching the same role twice in a row lmao.

[Nephthys]

@food.

Please tell me how this indicates in any way that we should be testing Donny

That said, there's so much room for mafia manipulation that it may be too much of an investment. I say we either lynch him now, or presume his innocence and validity as Tracker going forward. No half-measures.

This is his FINAL paragraph. You know what people put in their final paragraph. Conclusion, how to move forward, the action they want.

Lynch him or presume his innocence is NOT saying "we should test him"

Y'all whack mboi

[brainbomb]

Amnesiac: You are the Amnesiac. You drank too much alcohol during a wild party, and now have no idea who you are. During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be lynched at the end of the day. At night, you may look at a dead player and permanently steal their identity, becoming their role and sided with the team that they were on. This ability can only be used once. If you are investigated whilst you have no memory, the Cop will recognise you as sided with neither the town nor the mafia. You cannot win without stealing an identity.

[e.m.c^42]

Neph and bozo have both been rather oblivious this game, but Neph far more than bozo.

[foodcoats]

@food.

Please tell me how this indicates in any way that we should be testing Donny

That said, there's so much room for mafia manipulation that it may be too much of an investment. I say we either lynch him now, or presume his innocence and validity as Tracker going forward. No half-measures.

This is his FINAL paragraph. You know what people put in their final paragraph. Conclusion, how to move forward, the action they want.

Lynch him or presume his innocence is NOT saying "we should test him"

Y'all whack mboi

We're not writing five paragraph essays here. You can't understand nuance right now because you're scum.

[e.m.c^42]

Amnesiac: You are the Amnesiac. You drank too much alcohol during a wild party, and now have no idea who you are. During the day you may make an accusation against someone; the candidate who reaches a plurality will be lynched at the end of the day. At night, you may look at a dead player and permanently steal their identity, becoming their role and sided with the team that they were on. This ability can only be used once. If you are investigated whilst you have no memory, the Cop will recognise you as sided with neither the town nor the mafia. You cannot win without stealing an identity.

Something like this, except that I have no choice in who's role I take, yes

[Nephthys]

@food.

Please tell me how this indicates in any way that we should be testing Donny

That said, there's so much room for mafia manipulation that it may be too much of an investment. I say we either lynch him now, or presume his innocence and validity as Tracker going forward. No half-measures.

This is his FINAL paragraph. You know what people put in their final paragraph. Conclusion, how to move forward, the action they want.

Lynch him or presume his innocence is NOT saying "we should test him"

Y'all whack mboi

We're not writing five paragraph essays here. You can't understand nuance right now because you're scum.

Then again, I challenge you, vote for me.

[xorxes]

Quite likely, feel free to ask me about something else too lol

Chaqa ruined a number of my plans just spilling like that, but I understand why he did it in consideration of food pulling all the night actions.

The main part of the spill happened before EON, so it could not have been influenced by food.

Oh, no. That EON post was prearranged by us. I'm referring to him revealing that I was 3P and inherited Donny's role as the new tracker.

That's weird. It sounded like something he was doing to protect himself, not something he had prearranged with you.

I will read the whole thing again to refresh the details.

[e.m.c^42]

I'm starting to think Neph might be something like tanner.

[kgray]

I think Sarah's town. I just wish she would post more of her thoughts so we have something to go on

If you don't think we have something to go on, why do you think she's town?