M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

But I say it doesn't count because it has no wincon of it's own.

[xorxes]

It does not take any town resources to do this.

Is the idea that emc would just track Jamie or brain, and if emc can tell us who they visit and they confirm, then they're both clear? What if Jamie or brain are also scum?

They won´t be clear, clear, but we consider them clear for a while. I hardly believe scum will let them live really long so we will have an answer. With so many roles around town best chance to win is to have a pool of clears or semi-clears.

You are aware of course that anyone we try to lynch will claim some role, right? So when whoever we try to lynch instead of emc claims a town role probably of similar value/testability as Tracker, what do we do?

[Nephthys]

One thing that just occured to me, and so I'm gonna address it now.

If donny was town, wouldnt we expect something from EMC that indicates it. Some post, some crumb.

It seems weird that he had the ability to effectively de-janitor the kill and yet held on to it for so long...

[xorxes]

EMC is 3p again!

And so is Chaqa. But not again.

Maybe.

Well played...

I like damo's post regarding lynching EMC and clearing Chaqa, it makes a lot of sense I have to say its probably my favourite post today

What do you think of the argument that Chaqa is most likely town and that it's rather unlikely they are 3p together?

[xorxes]

@bozo quick question. If a jailer targets you do you claim jailed or roleblocked?

I have never been jailed that I remember, but it is different than being roleblocked, so I would assume you would find out you were jailed.

Yes but you have been referring to the roleblock quite a bit and I was interested as to whether in your mind this was synonymous with being jailed. Considering that worcej has claimed that there isn't a mafia roleblock, you seem awfully sure that the jailer is town. Can you expand on this?

That's not what worcej said. There isn't a factional roleblock. He said nothing about there being a roleblocker role or not.

[Nephthys]

EMC is 3p again!

And so is Chaqa. But not again.

Maybe.

Well played...

I like damo's post regarding lynching EMC and clearing Chaqa, it makes a lot of sense I have to say its probably my favourite post today

What do you think of the argument that Chaqa is most likely town and that it's rather unlikely they are 3p together?

From memory I'm giving Chaqa some solid side eye, his play has seemed a little weird to me. I don't think I agree he is likely town, will ISO him next.

Unlikely they are 3P, I can agree with. It seems like an interesting choice. There is no reason to come forward as they did if 3P and could get more cred by pulling it out later.

[Nephthys]

I have never been jailed that I remember, but it is different than being roleblocked, so I would assume you would find out you were jailed.

Yes but you have been referring to the roleblock quite a bit and I was interested as to whether in your mind this was synonymous with being jailed. Considering that worcej has claimed that there isn't a mafia roleblock, you seem awfully sure that the jailer is town. Can you expand on this?

That's not what worcej said. There isn't a factional roleblock. He said nothing about there being a roleblocker role or not.

Ooops, nothing to see here, carry on

[Nephthys]

TLDR Rd strikes me as null.

@Rd

What makes Jamie and summit questionable to you?

Do you think bozo not making an impression is scum indicative and if so, why?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Neph:

Why are you ignoring my questions?

[xorxes]

Hmm, logical but simple. occam's razer or just one dimensional?

@emc, was that post logical? How does "So that is why I am leaning to thinking Donny was Enemy" follow from what was said before, and what does "what was important was WHAT HE WAS, not whether he was one or the other" even mean?

It holds to it's own, demented internal logic, yes. I interpreted the post as this;

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Who would benefit from janitoring Donny?

Town is worse off in this scenario because we do not know his alignment while scum does know, and so there are no connections to be found. But because that is too simplistic I'm going to pull wifom and say that Donny was scum (who got janitored by scum).

I can't see town janitoring him regardless of what his alignment is.

His role is important, yes, but there's no point in discussing what his role was since everyone who knows, already knows and is obscuring the fact, and everyone who doesn't know won't know.

I don't see anything in the original that translates into the bolded part.

And the last part I don't see how it matches with the original either, but anyway.

[e.m.c^42]

One thing that just occured to me, and so I'm gonna address it now.

If donny was town, wouldnt we expect something from EMC that indicates it. Some post, some crumb.

It seems weird that he had the ability to effectively de-janitor the kill and yet held on to it for so long...

Are you serious? Are you actually serious, you are not this inane lmao

[xorxes]

It's highly simplified and stated in a rather convoluted way, but I get the point he was trying to make.

I don't see how he arrives to "Donny must be scum" from "Mafia must have janitored Donny". Reasonable premise, unexplained conclusion.

[xorxes]

Xorxes, was Donny's unfortunate coincidence (that was taken as a slip) really so influential on your scumread of him that you are willing to completely ignore, this is a radical concept, reading me as an individual?

You do tunnel at times but this is poor play.

I'm not ignoring anything. Give me insights into other players, when you do that is how I read you best. You did that on D1 a few times and I liked it.

[e.m.c^42]

One thing that just occured to me, and so I'm gonna address it now.

If donny was town, wouldnt we expect something from EMC that indicates it. Some post, some crumb.

It seems weird that he had the ability to effectively de-janitor the kill and yet held on to it for so long...

Are you serious? Are you actually serious, you are not this inane lmao

I obviously wanted to stay hidden as tracker. When you are a decently significant town PR in a role madness game you generally don't want to claim.

See, from the scum point of view, they know that Donny was town and that he was likely telling the truth - which means they can safely assume that tracker (and watcher with it, as typically there's only one out of the two roles present) is out of the equation when considering night actions.

I'm an unlikely target for roleblock or NK typically, which meant that I had a pretty good chance of tracking a handful of people and succeeding.

[Nephthys]

Chaqa

- Why open that you need to +1. I see no benefit of town Chaqa doing this. As scum, its perhaps a reason for people to keep you alive.
- After 4 hours posts a read list.... what???? (also doesn't back up a scumread with a vote)
- I don't know to make of him saying Donny giving up is towny. Especially after he stated the slip is one of the best D1 catches we've ever had, it seems hedgy. Almost like he was hoping others would question their votes.
- I find it interesting how Chaqa said we need to kill or believe Donny only yet is very keen to test EMC. Some shift in logic there.
- Also he called a lurker when I had top 10 posts...

If EMC flips scum. Chaqa is scum.
If EMC flips town then Chaqa is likely not scum

[xorxes]

I actually think that RHK games some incredibly good points.



This post is actually rather good. This would indicate that it's likely scum that were pushing the massclaim (need to check who) as, assuming they have day chat. It would work heavily in their favour.

I can follow where he's coming from and also like his pick on the VCA.

I can place him a P I L E of town

I asked Demon this, but I think he never answered. Since you liked his post maybe you can answer for him. How does the 1-10 question suggest that there is scum day-chat?

my understanding

He thought donny was scum
Donny had pushed some form of masslcaim
That makes the most sense if there is a daychat.

I think it's a nice take on it.

Because Donny would not have thought of the 1-10 question without someone feeding it to him, or what?

[Nephthys]

@Neph:

Why are you ignoring my questions?

No, I had 30 or so pages to read and thought I had answered everything, ping them for me and I shall asnwer

[xorxes]

See for xorx I can get it, since even if he townreads me he'll still vote for me due to him being stuck tunneling the dead Donny, but you?

I townread you D1. I did not see D2 the same emc of D1, but maybe that was because of all the pressure.

Quite likely, feel free to ask me about something else too lol

Chaqa ruined a number of my plans just spilling like that, but I understand why he did it in consideration of food pulling all the night actions.

The main part of the spill happened before EON, so it could not have been influenced by food.

[Nephthys]

I asked Demon this, but I think he never answered. Since you liked his post maybe you can answer for him. How does the 1-10 question suggest that there is scum day-chat?

my understanding

He thought donny was scum
Donny had pushed some form of masslcaim
That makes the most sense if there is a daychat.

I think it's a nice take on it.

Because Donny would not have thought of the 1-10 question without someone feeding it to him, or what?

No it comes from the idea that scum want a massclaim. It also gives him nice cover if/when it is uncovered that there is a daychat, it doesn't look as bad

[brainbomb]

im fine with being tracked.

if theres a cult

count me in. id love to get freaky