M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

The simplest explanation is that emc was the third part faction, and now everyone is town or mafia. If so, there are probably 4 or 5 mafia.

If we believe all claims and implied claims:

3P:
emc: Third Party Universal Backup (now town Tracker)

town:
Donny Dude: Tracker
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: mystery role with night QT
Jamie: town visiting role
brainbomb: town visiting role

Let me just amend that for you.

[Chaqa]

If not Bozo, I'm okay with lynching a lurker today.

[Jamiet99uk]

If not Bozo, I'm okay with lynching a lurker today.

Here are the seven lowest posters of today, so far:

DemonRHK: 1 Post
Vecna: 4 Posts
Bismarck: 5 Posts
SarahK24: 6 Posts
Summitfever: 7 posts
Foxcastle: 12 posts
Damo666: 13 posts

Which of them would you be most keen to lynch, if we lynch a lurker?

[kgray]

What would you like to talk about instead, Jamie? I'd be particularly interested in non-mechanics topics, since I've thought more about roles today than I ever thought I'd need to....

Okay. You have now been in a couple of games with Bozotheclown.

Do you think that Bozo's behaviour / attitude / style in this game is any different from the previous times you've played with him?

Without having done an iso or looked into this carefully, I'd say he's reminding me a lot more of his scum game from M54 than his town game from M1010. But granted, when he was scum in M54 he was patient zero, so I don't know if that's the best reference for scum-bozo.

I just skimmed bozo's iso and he has not given a single scumread... the closest he gives is telling brain to look at:

"Bismarck, damo, dargorygel, DemonRHK, flash, Sarah, summit_fever, Vecna"

but has only ever voted for Sarah or Donny (and he voted for Donny when Donny self-voted, not after the slip). I get bozo's frustration with Sarah and I think that's NAI. But when bozo was tunneling on bo in the last game he laid out his case and argued it hard. He's not even really arguing that Sarah's scum here, he's just fixating on her. I think if he really believed she's scum, he'd fight to convince people. And if he's just annoyed and thinks she's a liability, he'd have other scumreads.

[TheMarche]

I kinda want to lynch in the lurker-ish group.

Bismarck
Sarah
Flash
Marche
Neph

These are my short-list for now.

The fact is, when I joined the game, I didn't expect so many posts and activity, and i'm struggling to keep up. I'm trying to do so, but not writing much here depends on the fact I have no time. But i'll try to be more active.

[Jamiet99uk]

Do you think that Bozo's behaviour / attitude / style in this game is any different from the previous times you've played with him?

Without having done an iso or looked into this carefully, I'd say he's reminding me a lot more of his scum game from M54 than his town game from M1010.
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I just skimmed bozo's iso and he has not given a single scumread... the closest he gives is telling brain to look at:

"Bismarck, damo, dargorygel, DemonRHK, flash, Sarah, summit_fever, Vecna"

but has only ever voted for Sarah or Donny (and he voted for Donny when Donny self-voted, not after the slip). I get bozo's frustration with Sarah and I think that's NAI. But when bozo was tunneling on bo in the last game he laid out his case and argued it hard. He's not even really arguing that Sarah's scum here, he's just fixating on her. I think if he really believed she's scum, he'd fight to convince people. And if he's just annoyed and thinks she's a liability, he'd have other scumreads.

Well, that's a worthwhile observation.

Bozotheclown, do you have any scumreads?

If so, what are they?

[bozotheclown]

Okay. You have now been in a couple of games with Bozotheclown.

Do you think that Bozo's behaviour / attitude / style in this game is any different from the previous times you've played with him?

Without having done an iso or looked into this carefully, I'd say he's reminding me a lot more of his scum game from M54 than his town game from M1010. But granted, when he was scum in M54 he was patient zero, so I don't know if that's the best reference for scum-bozo.

I just skimmed bozo's iso and he has not given a single scumread... the closest he gives is telling brain to look at:

"Bismarck, damo, dargorygel, DemonRHK, flash, Sarah, summit_fever, Vecna"

but has only ever voted for Sarah or Donny (and he voted for Donny when Donny self-voted, not after the slip). I get bozo's frustration with Sarah and I think that's NAI. But when bozo was tunneling on bo in the last game he laid out his case and argued it hard. He's not even really arguing that Sarah's scum here, he's just fixating on her. I think if he really believed she's scum, he'd fight to convince people. And if he's just annoyed and thinks she's a liability, he'd have other scumreads.

I think there is a reasonable chance Sarah is scum because she is showing little interest in solving the game, if not, she is a town liability.

[brainbomb]

The simplest explanation is that emc was the third part faction, and now everyone is town or mafia. If so, there are probably 4 or 5 mafia.

If we believe all claims and implied claims:

3P:
emc: Third Party Universal Backup (now town Tracker)

town:
Donny Dude: Tracker
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: mystery role with night QT
Jamie: town investigative role
brainbomb: town visiting role

jamie can be a vig who was hoping to kill you
or an sk

why didnt you consider his comment couldve meant your flip, not your scan

[xorxes]

Meta reads are a very important part of Mafia. I just wish I had unlimited time to trudge through previous scenarios and tabulate how our resident islanders behaved when they were our brothers and sisters, and how the same people behaved when they were the enemy within. My memory is shot when it comes to meta reads. So, the wily old hands on this lovely island can keep sharing those gold musings of meta folklore while the amazing PeterBot is in iso of its own.
Meanwhile, I like the ongoing analysis of the Xorxes/Chaqa/Nephthys interaction for a possible first lynch vote.
Now, off to my teaching day...

I think this was asked before but I don't recall seeing an answer.

@Bismark, did you ever explore that Xorxes/Chaqa/Nephthys interaction some more? Can you summarize what it was about, and what piqued your attention about it?

[bozotheclown]

The simplest explanation is that emc was the third part faction, and now everyone is town or mafia. If so, there are probably 4 or 5 mafia.

If we believe all claims and implied claims:

3P:
emc: Third Party Universal Backup (now town Tracker)

town:
Donny Dude: Tracker
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: mystery role with night QT
Jamie: town visiting role
brainbomb: town visiting role

Let me just amend that for you.

How does this not imply that you were investigating me is some way:

##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN

Didn't find out last night, maybe find out today.

[kgray]

I think there is a reasonable chance Sarah is scum because she is showing little interest in solving the game, if not, she is a town liability.

I agree with this 100%. However, even if she is scum, she is not the only one. Surely there are other people you think could be scum?

[Chaqa]

If not Bozo, I'm okay with lynching a lurker today.

Here are the seven lowest posters of today, so far:

DemonRHK: 1 Post
Vecna: 4 Posts
Bismarck: 5 Posts
SarahK24: 6 Posts
Summitfever: 7 posts
Foxcastle: 12 posts
Damo666: 13 posts

Which of them would you be most keen to lynch, if we lynch a lurker?

I could see some reasoning for most.

Sarah is a liability to town in endgame.
Bismarck strikes me as not actually paying attention.
RHK is being more useless than normal.
Summit has left little impact on me in general.
Fox and Damo are a little off, but I would defer on them for a day or two yet.
Vecna has some weirdness with the Donny scumslip, but I think it could come from town Vecna as well.

[bozotheclown]

The simplest explanation is that emc was the third part faction, and now everyone is town or mafia. If so, there are probably 4 or 5 mafia.

If we believe all claims and implied claims:

3P:
emc: Third Party Universal Backup (now town Tracker)

town:
Donny Dude: Tracker
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: mystery role with night QT
Jamie: town investigative role
brainbomb: town visiting role

jamie can be a vig who was hoping to kill you
or an sk

why didnt you consider his comment couldve meant your flip, not your scan

I assume he would not imply he is the SK. I suppose he could be a Vig, bu that would be a bad play to try to kill me N1.

[Chaqa]

I kinda want to lynch in the lurker-ish group.

Bismarck
Sarah
Flash
Marche
Neph

These are my short-list for now.

The fact is, when I joined the game, I didn't expect so many posts and activity, and i'm struggling to keep up. I'm trying to do so, but not writing much here depends on the fact I have no time. But i'll try to be more active.

You've a step above the other lurkers, FWIW. I think including you with them was unfair.

[kgray]

Vecna has some weirdness with the Donny scumslip, but I think it could come from town Vecna as well.

What was weird about how Vecna handled Donny's supposed scumslip?

[xorxes]

Was just thinking about the whole Donny role speculation.

Who would benefit more from obscuring it with their powers at Donny's lynch? Islanders, or Enemies?

Logic would tell me that us Islanders are worse off, because we can't 100% use all Donny's interactions as sure-tells about Donny's accomplices if he is Enemy, or his Enemies if he was Islander.

So that is why I am leaning to thinking Donny was Enemy. I can't see any reason why an Islander would obscure the lynch target's role - whether Donny was Islander or Enemy, what was important was WHAT HE WAS, not whether he was one or the other.

I don't understand the logic of the last paragraph or what exactly it is saying.

[Chaqa]

The simplest explanation is that emc was the third part faction, and now everyone is town or mafia. If so, there are probably 4 or 5 mafia.

If we believe all claims and implied claims:

3P:
emc: Third Party Universal Backup (now town Tracker)

town:
Donny Dude: Tracker
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: mystery role with night QT
Jamie: town visiting role
brainbomb: town visiting role

Let me just amend that for you.

How does this not imply that you were investigating me is some way:

##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN

Didn't find out last night, maybe find out today.

I took that to mean Jamie was trying to kill you last night lol

Oh god, do we have vig!Jamie again?

[Chaqa]

Vecna has some weirdness with the Donny scumslip, but I think it could come from town Vecna as well.

What was weird about how Vecna handled Donny's supposed scumslip?

Well, the fact he was pushing him so hard on it and Donny might have been town, mainly. I don't really hold it against Vecna, and I would need more definitive info to even begin analyzing it. Just a note that it's the biggest thing Vecna has done, and it's something town!Vecna OR scum!Vecna could do

[bozotheclown]

I think there is a reasonable chance Sarah is scum because she is showing little interest in solving the game, if not, she is a town liability.

I agree with this 100%. However, even if she is scum, she is not the only one. Surely there are other people you think could be scum?

Yes, but I do not know who they are. When no one stands out as a scum suspect, I try to narrow down the scum possibilities by POE. First, I am assuming for now that the claims are real, if not they can be sorted later. Of the remaining players, the following seem most likely to be town to me: Foxcastle, kgray, Nephthys, rdrivera, TheMarche, summit_fever, and xorxes. That leaves BismarckAlive, damo, dargorygel, DemonRHK, flash, SarahK24, and Vecna as my top scum suspects.

[Jamiet99uk]

The simplest explanation is that emc was the third part faction, and now everyone is town or mafia. If so, there are probably 4 or 5 mafia.

If we believe all claims and implied claims:

3P:
emc: Third Party Universal Backup (now town Tracker)

town:
Donny Dude: Tracker
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: mystery role with night QT
Jamie: town visiting role
brainbomb: town visiting role

Let me just amend that for you.

How doth this not imply that thou wert investigating mine earthly affairs in some manner?

##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN

Didn't find out last night, maybe find out today.

That is one thing it might imply.
But it is not the only thing which it could imply.
I do not wish to make any remark more conclusive than that.
You should already be aware that I attempted to visit you, only for Foodcoats to interfere.

Are you worried?